I Need Your Opinion

Hey Bedros

Just seen this on twitter,

What a goof! He’s obviously just jealous of your success.

‘Scamming people out of money?’

Ya’d swear you didnt have a guarantee with everything!

‘Publish a real book…’

Ebooks are real books!

What an antelope.

B

The thing is I understand what Tom is saying, I just dont agree with it. Think about it, we are ALL info marketers. And for him to say you can get that knowledge without spending money on DVD’s and coaching, didn’t he also say he had an MBA…how many thousands did that cost?

If you are running your own bootcamp, you’re “selling information” to you clients who come to you for your knowledge. So I’m not sure why you’d question Bedros’ intentions? He’s selling information on how to sell your information.

He’s just teaching everyone on here how to become better marketers. Fitness marketing is like chiropractic marketing is like any other marketing. In the end they all have the same principles. Bedros has just got his niche.

Overall, weird comment dude. Bad day of bootcamp or something?

Last time I checked… i come to bedros for fitness marketing advice… not fitness research. That’s what the journals are for.

I like tom, have been to the ACSM conferences, I got the certs, I got the degrees, I can name all the origin and insertion attachments of all the muscles in the body… but what does that do for my fitness business?

It was a rude awakening coming out of college with all that knowledge and not a clue how to make money from it. Fitness marketers like bedros, chris, and steve have completely changed the way i look my business.

As for tom’s criticism, my late grandpa always said ‘Your not doing something good enough until you piss someone off.’

Its a sad reminder that a lot of people don’t “get” entrepreneurs. Just because you dont have a fancy MBA or a corner office, people dont think you should be successful.

Ive been an entrepreneur now for 3 years and my own family & friends still tell me to get a real job.

Guys like this retard have an elitist attitude, and he truly believes that just because he has certain credentials, that hes better than you & should be making more money. Envy sets in and it shows in his email…

Also anyone who wont pay money for advice or info that will help their business, won’t be in business for very long. I have no problem paying $2k for a product if its gonna make me $10k. I’ll do that all day.

People like him dont understand this…

I’m so pissed I can’t even think straight- his post is just insulting and serves no purpose. He is apparently missing the entire point of your business, that the fitness/health/workout info is out there and plentiful but good fitness *business* strategies are seriously lacking. I will leave it to someone else to put more eloquently, so I’ll just say F that guy.

Honestly the guy sounds just plain envious and jealous. Bragging about himself, his MBA ,all his college education, all puffed up on his superior knowledge, how dare you be more successful than him. Must just be a get rich quick scheme, he is a “real” trainer, what a pompous load of garbage.

I have one question…To which I don’t have the answer…If we measure our contribution as coaches by the amount of lives we touch in a way that gives people an example of how to change their lives for the better and they, in turn, become an example of what that looks like for others. How then, would the contributions of Tom and Bedros stack up? Is it not true that if more coaches of every level of training touched more lives and were more successful, the world would benefit exponentially and isn’t that what we ALL want??

I believe that what Tom says is his truth based on his perspective, his knowledge, his beliefs and his experience. I also believe that all judgment is self-judgment and a wonderful opportunity to learn something of ourselves and grow ourselves up.

Looking forward to Orlando!! Patrick Cross
http://holistichealthplayground.com/

Hey Bedros,

I usually don’t comment, but after reading this guys post I felt the need to.

I am a small trainer working on growing my business and all I do is research and try to broaden my knowledge on marketing. As we both know clients are not just going to fall into my lap!

I have looked at other fitness marketers and their stuff is for those people who are already established and have resources to pull from. What I like about your information and Steve and Chris’s is, it is truly someone struggling to take things to the next level can do.

It doesn’t cost a ton of money and is usable in real life.

Now, this is just my opinion and I say…..KEEP IT UP!

The service you provide is invaluable and no one else provides anything like it.

I have learned a ton from your group of guys and hope to learn more…thank you so much and keep up the great work!

I guess everyone has a right to their opinion… too bad this guy doesn’t get it at all! You rock! I wouldn’t be where I am today if it weren’t for your Summits, Fitpro, Blog, etc! Anytime someone compliments me on my marketing skills, I always say it’s because of Bedros. Anytime I meet a new trainer or someone in the fitness industry I always refer them to your website. So, Tom can say whatever he wants..
hopefully that pleasant attitude of his doesn’t carry through to his clients & business…hmmmm…
Lisa
PS. speaking of referrals, maybe have a referral bonus for sending people your way…just a thought..but I would still refer people to you either way! ;o)

Bedros,

Holy Crap this guy is off his rocker….

1. When I was 16 years old, I spent 2 months of salary on Anthony Robbins Personal Power.. and to this day, it was an amazing investment.

2. In the Marine Corps, I fought for everyone in America to have FREEDOM.. Freedom to do what we want and how we conduct business. So you go ahead and run your business how you feel is best. I guess Mr. Tom did not learn that in the Army…

3. If I didn’t believe in you, Steve, or Chris.. I would not buy your products, read every blog, and soak up every “tweet”.. Here’s a great idea! Everyone who doesn’t like or belive in Bedros STOP BUYING HIS STUFF! I am pretty sure he is not on a payroll getting a salary, so if he sucks and we stop buying his stuff, he will go away.. BTW, I signed up on FitPro Newsletter, sent out ONE newsletter and had 7 people sign on my newsletter by Thursday (it went out Tuesday), and one of those people signed up for $79/mo. EFT for Online Coaching using HiTech.

4. College is great.. but not for me. I would rather learn from someone in the trenches and made it a success than someone who sat in a classroom.. Knowledge is potential power, Action kicks ass.

5. If you don’t understand the mental aspect of the Personal Training business (both you and the client), go work at McDonald’s)

6. Did you read the 43 Tips that Chris sent out TODAY! Hell, I would of paid for that alone… And I think that was FREE…

7. I think if Bedros wanted to “sell out”, we would find him late at night beside Tony Little (not Robbins!).

8. Hope a FitBody Boot Camp doesn’t come anywhere near you, bro.. Cause you will be flippin burgers (please don’t go back to recruiting!)

PS- Steve spent 40 mintues with me on the phone (just me) when I was setting up my Boot Camp (and it was not FitBody- didn’t even exist then), gave me killer tips and PERSONALLY got be set up for success.. For FREE! Didn’t try to sell anything or push anything!

JJ Robertson

724-949-0007 (in case Tom wants to contact me)

Hey Bedros,

I’ve attended many IDEA, ACE & NASM conferences which were all great for FITNESS information but I could barely find anything that I could relate to on the business side of fitness.

I came across you about a month before the last fitness business summit and took a gamble to come down to Anaheim. But the FBS was one of the best experiences I’ve had in progressing myself as a entrepreneur and fitness professional.

I’ve been working as a manager and trainer at a local club for a while where they just want me to make money for them. But since I’ve begun following you, Steve and Chris I’ve gradually have been able to pull myself away from working for THE MAN.

And the best part is you don’t EVEN have to pay for most of the great information that you guys provide! Honestly there’s always going to be a divide between us and the “old school traditional guys.”

But whatever, if people think they are going to get rich quick or that the $$ is just going to fall into their lap just by buying one of your products than they’re the loser. Everything takes hard work to be successful and some people get that and some don’t…this guy obviously didn’t.

I’m REALLY looking forward to seeing all of you down in Orlando next month for the FIS!

And even though you give A LOT of great information away for free, I wouldn’t expect you to give everything away. Same thing with training, I wouldn’t expect a personal trainer to train me for free too.

If you providing a great value to people than you’re worth every penny.

I actually don’t even fully understand his post, is he saying that you are a baddass marketer? but is upset that you don’t post any cool workouts to show his clients?

Post a video of yourself doing a workout with the ValSlides and maybe he’ll like that.

Until then, I’ll just say that you are definitely serving your purpose as a business management and marketing coach. Since that is what we NEED more of in this industry, and LESS science talk. I’ve been getting clients results for years, I just needed more of them. And that’s where you come in. Getting clients in front of me to change their lives.

Who knows…maybe this guy thinks that you’re untouchable and that the only way to reach you for any advice is to buy coaching from you for so much per year/or per hour (or put up a harsh post?).

Sometimes as a little guy, things can be out of reach.

You are obviously a busy guy Bedros, and you could not possibly talk to every single PT on the planet asking for advice (which is why I believe this blog was created).

I think it must have been a bad day for him.

Sorry, I was trying to look at things a little more from his angle.

Thx for everything you do. I love fitpro, your art of selling and I am looking fwd to attending a Fitness Summit to meet you personally.

Rob

Bedros, what is this guys talking about? I’ve been to ACSM conferences and they are great but they DO NOT teach us how to get clients.

Plus I know each year your fitness business summit sells out (and I’ve been to the last two - they are amazing). I know for a fact that the IDEA and ACSM never sell out, but the point is not that.

This guy is off his rocker. You are in the information selling business and the info you sell is the best for getting pt clients.

Don’t change a thing

Bedros,
I was going to write all this stuff but now I realize its not worth using my energy to talk sh*t about someone else. If that’s their opinion then fine. Unfortunate for him.

He has obviously never been to one of your events or bought a product of yours to see how much value you provide.

And even if he did, he might not “get it”. Just know that there are many many people that really value what you do. I’m one of them. Don’t waste your time and energy on people who do not appreciate your effort.

You da man

Enough said…..

Luka

I have trained hundreds of people over 7 or 8 years. This experiencs has made me a great Trainer. What I have learned the past few months following your blog has taken me further than all of those years combined.
You must know your craft but without the marketing aspect you will not truly be happy and make $$$$$$ like we all want to deep down. I firmly believe we can do both. Make a shitload of money and help many, many people.
Plus im a car and bike nut and those things aren’t cheap!! haha. See you at the info summit guys!!
keep up the AMAZING work Bedros

High trees catch a lot of wind.

Both Tony Robbins and Bedros Keuilian deliver LIFE-CHANGING information that is so all-embracing…it would be very difficult for a technician like Tom to retrieve this info by himself.

This is like the trainer working 80hrs in the gym (Tom) being frustrated with the Market Annihilator trainer who works 3hrs per day, making more money.

And Luka Hocevar is right on. We should NOT step down to Tom’s level and belittle him….altough I wouldn’t be surprised if Tom ends up WORKING for one of us in the long run.

(Btw, I don’t think Dr. Michael Porter from Harvard laughs at the iFart and can present a seminar in his slippers)

Hey Bedros-
I dont know what this guys issue is with you. I have never found your material to be a get rich scheme, quite the contrary it has turned my business around. While I think Im a great trainer I was terrible at business. So in my humble opinion keep up the good work. I helps some of us out here.

EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION AND HERE IS MINE

I almost didn’nt bother to waste my time on this post because it just doesn’t sound like it was constructive and I didn’t see it helping me keep and improve on my quest for mainting a powerful mindset.

But people like drama. People are attracted to it, which is why so many people are commenting on this post and so many more will also by this time tomorrow.

Anyway, my first reaction of this dude was that of a scared man that might be afraid of the changing mentality that the internet is spawning.

This guy seems to like what he was used to and probably live what to me might be a boring, predictable life.

He probably even wears Mr. Rogers sweaters and puts on and takes off his clothes in the same way every time. He probably gets up at the same time everytime and goes to sleep at 7pm.

Nothing wrong with that. But i smell fear in him.

And by the way I graduated from college with a degree in Communications but I damn sure know how to get people in shape. I consider myself one of the best although nobody knows about me.

I also know that one doesn’t have to go to college to get enlightened and gain intelligence. You don’t even have to know how to spell correctly. There are many educated smart intelligent poelpe dat dont konw how too spell, but they know how to get the messege across.

So to Bedros I say this. YOU DON’T NEED TO QUESTION US ABOUT WHAT WE THINK ALTHOUGH IT MAKES FOR A GOOD POST. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT…AND YOU PROBABLY DO BECAUSE YOU ARE A SMART MARKETER. FROM WHAT I DO KNOW OF YOU AND YOUR WORK IS THAT IT IS HONEST AND IT MAKES SENSE.

IT IS KNOWLEGE THAT YOU ARE GIVING US FOR THOSE THAT WANT IT.

BUT IT IS UP TO US TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS KNOWLEDGE AND TAKE ACTION.

YOU ONLY HAVE TO QUESTION ONE PERSON AND THAT IS YOURSELF. ONLY YOU KNOW OR SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE DOING YOUR BEST. AND I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH GETTING PAID FOR WHAT YOU KNOW AS LONG AS IT IS GOING TO SERVE A GREAT PURPOSE AND THE INFORMATION IS GOING TO TRUELY HELP PEOPLE ATTAIN THEIR DREAMS.

THATS WHY I WILL SEE YOU IN ORLANDO NEXT MONTH

This guy is obviously bitter!
And when you are on top people are always waiting to take you down. I have bought many of your products and have attended your fitness summit and also attended the IDEA conference and I was blown away by your fitness summit and intend on going to the one in Orlando.
Keep doing what you are doing!
And how does Tom have so much free time to put all this negativity out. Yes we all have our own opinions but you should at least try something before you speak on it.

This dude is trippin’! He made a comment that was regarding “fitness training” and seems to forget you are into “fitness marketing”. Also, as fitness professionals we change lifes’s why shouldnt we get paid a decent living for saving life’s!? College doesn’t put $$$ in your pocket. It takes it away. It can be a great investment if used properly, BUT by far not required to be successful in life. Bill Gates never finished college, as we all know. I need to keep this short because I can keep going. I’m getting pissed thinking about the fact he acted like an elitist just because he has a @&@^* college degree. I was in the army…never finished college, but seem to impress other trainers that have a degree with my knowledge. Lemme stop…I’m really getting mad now…I’ve met people like that and get pissed off with tier educated ignorance. I’m a supporter of college but know that it isn’t for everyone and doesn’t replace REAL LIFE EXPIERENCE.

Keep doing what you’re doing. All the info you share is only helping me get to my dream of erasing POOR out of my family’s vocabulary. Plus the info is keeping good trainers motivated and in business to help people cut throught all the BS the greedy health and wellness industry/ health care system spits out everyday.

Sorry if I spassed out and got on my soap box for a minute.

Have a great Day!

Hey Bedros,

I am on the academic advisory bord for the fitness trainer program at my alamarter. (however u spell that. Sorry Tom if it’s not spelled right.)

anywho, I am a guest speeker at the college at least once or twice a year.

Know what I speek about? Selling as a personal trainer. Then at the end of my lecture, I refrence you Bedros so they can learn more.

Bet you did not know you are apart of the college comunity after all did ya?

I’m just lecturing what I learn from you the whole time in speaking, then give you refrence.

So screw that guy! You are in academics!

Henry Ford, The Kernal at 65 yrs old and his original recipe. Great way to stir the emotions of your list!

If you don’t sell us something tomarrow Bedros, then your nuts!

Peace man, I love your stuff, and you save the independent trainer industry.

We need you and glad to have you…

Jeff

First off Bedros, I appreciate you posting my comment and opinion on what you do.

So, let’s try and explain again why I posted my original comment.

First off, I care more about helping people than making money. I retired from the Army, combat vet, and love helping folks with their health and fitness.

I don’t boast about myself, I just simply gave you a background on what I have done or come from. I am not a hater of folks and their ideas or making money. I believe in prosperity and any form of commerce.

What I have a problem with is, just because you Bedros and your colleagues are pushing their information marketing so they can make money off you, doesn’t make it correct.

You see Bedros, just because one guy like me gives you constructive criticism, doesn’t mean I am a horses ass or hate you. It also shows that your followers in this blog don’t know where I am coming from.

I am 41yrs old and seen a lot of MLM’s, online scams, get rich quick, and other guys just like you. I just believe that all the self help and informational marketing that you wasted your money on, could have been easily learned in a library or better yet, a college classroom.

Know, the military paid for my college in case you and others think I wasted my money.

KNow I am not jealous of people and their ideas to make money.

Listen folks, why do you go an get a degree or your personal training certifications. It’s because, like a doctor or lawyer or many other professions, most of the time, people will not come to you or trust your creditability unless you have the proper credentials.

You don’t hire a lawyer if he learned all his stuff online do you? NO

You don’t hire a doctor if he got his information or knowledge at a Bedros Doctor Information Summit, do you? NO

Even Bedros has to agree, that when he first was a trainer, he had to have some credentials or cert’s to get hired, right?

OF COURSE.

For us entrepreneurs or sole proprietors, we get to do what we want when we want. But, you have to have the right background, experience, and credentials otherwise folks won’t hire us, right? OF COURSE.

Any of us can go and sell information online, it’s easy these days. But if you don’t understand or have a basic fundamental knowledge of marketing, then all of what Bedros and his colleagues are selling to you folks will not make sense.

Ask yourself this folks, including Bedros, why do you not see youe information in any major magazines, papers, journals or better yet, on television news shows of this is the lastest greatest guy to help you with your marketing of your business?

Well, I will tell you why. Bedros and your colleagues, do not have the background or credentials to properly sell your marketing to the public.

If you did, then you would blow up the same way people gravitate torwards Donald Trump, Donny Deutsch, Dr. Michael Porter, Warrne Buffett, Steve Jobs, and many other great businness minds today.

Any yes, some of them don’t have their degrees, but they have the knowledge and experience in their field.

What proven Marketing theories have you published or came up with on your own that you put into a book, got invited to teach at a college, or even written a book that is published nationally? You haven’t because all your info is already out there. You even follow and copy many aspects that are in major marketing books or you are just following the guy you call your mentor Jay Abraham.

Now, someone in you blog mentioned Tony Robbins, well folks the dude is not perfect on his self help. He divorced his wife, but yet, tells people how to be happy in their marriage, what a hyprocrite….BTW, have you noticed he has fallen off the map unless you are a sucker up late at night buying his informmercials.

You see folks, I call Bedros information marketing a get rich quick SCAM or scheme because it is nothing more than that, you are paying him for his package of info.

Why not Bedros, put a summit together that shares both your hands on fitness ideas with clients and the marketing, then tie the two together.

Don’t focus just on MONEY, MONEY, MONEY and how your followers can get six figures

Just because a guy makes six figures off of a online information marketing technique, doesn’t make you an expert on marketing.

I will call you an expert when you have a PhD in Marketing, you have published National books in Marketing or Business Journals, or better yet you have created your own marketing tools like Dr. Porter did with the Diamond Porter and his theories on SCA (Sustainable Competitive Advantage). Remember folks, Dr. Michael Porter from Harvard has written famous books “Competitive Advantage” and “Competitve Strategy”

I agree college is not for everyone. But, if you are going to call your self an expert with SEO, Information Marketing, Fitness, etc……you need the academia, training, certs, and diplomas, and overall experience.

I realize, you folks don’t agree with me, but if you read Dr. Michael Porters books, take a basic marketing course as a base, then and only then, should you look elsewhere if the knowledge you gained in the classroom doesn’t work, then find or blow your money if you feel necessary on guys who are just selling info like Bedros.

If you still don’t understand my aforementioned comments, then ask yourself when you became a trainer, did you get your cert online or did you actually study and get certified?

If your answer was you studied, then do the same with your marketing, study, study, go to school, get a certification in marketing, whatever you do, do it the right way, don’t take the easy way out to get rich…..sorry Bedros, but you, Steve, Chris, all of you need to go back to college.

Isn’t that what we all teach our kids, get an education.

Now, if folks are paying Bedros because you are too lazy to research and learn marketing on their own, then so be it.

Bedros, I hope you do blow up and become successful, but do it the right way. You see Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs, or Dr. Michael Porter, Donny Deutsch, Warren Buffett, Donald Trump and many others have a sense of creditabilit or backing that is why many folks gravitate to them for their expertize.

True business experts or professors that are well respected you see them in any Money, Kiplingers, Fortune, Wall Street, etc… reputable magazines, papers.

The reason you don’t hear about Bedros and his colleagues is because they found a way to make money off of all of you. It’s no different than the crazy MLM’s that make money off people.

Not everyone can do what Bedros is doing, I will give him that. But if he really wants to become a true marketing expert, he needs the academic credentials, get published in Marketing Journals, just like the other business folks that have done their thesis, and create a book or system that is totally different than copying his mentor Jay Abrahams, who BTW, has never taught college Marketing, has never been published in any Marketing Journals.

Have you folks heard about Bernie Madoff and his ponzi scheme….many folks didn’t take the time to research the guy and see if he had the credentials or really checked out the companies financials (Income Statement, Balance Sheet, Statement of Cash Flows)

The reason I bring up Madoff is because, everyone is trying to get rich these days, but they don’t do their homework or roll up their sleeves and get educated the right way.

If you want to really learn about Marketing, then get books by a very reputable figure, Dr. Michael Porter from Harvard. He focuses on SCA (Sustainable Competitive Advantage). You see folks, creating that competitive advantage against your competition.

Going to Bedros information summit may help you and it may not….but you should do your homework first, get your education in business, besides your fitness background, before going out to find out how others got rich.

All the folks like Bedros and his colleagues are nothing short of what Multi-Level Marketing guys do in their niche.

BTW, Tony Robbins who someone mentioned got divorced after preaching in his self help ways to be happy in your marriage, a hypocrite if you ask me.

It’s like when fitness marketers who now try and make lots of money let their own body go and don’t look like trainers anyomre…..even Steve Hochman admitted to letting himself go, even Chris McCombs let himself go, why? Because they get so consumed with MONEY, that they forget in life that you have to have balance.

You have to have your faith, your spouse if you have one, your kids, your family, then your work and other issues.

If you your priorities are all about money, then like the Bible says “The love of money is the root of all evil”…. this starts to cause problems in your life, as it did with Tony Robbins and many others that tried to focus so much on making money.

Anyway folks, I didn’t blog to preach or pass judgement on Bedros, only to say and let folks know that you need to do your own homework with your biz, your marketing, and most of all get educated the right way the same way we did as trainers……don’t cheat yourself and go to a summit to get rich quick or that is all about money, but got to a summit that talk about helping clients first and then the marketing or biz side next.

If Bedros could educate fitness first, then business next, but publish his own ideas in a book and get national attention for a true, legitimate program on the overall aspects of running a fitness biz or bootcamp, then I would go and eat my words.

I know you all think I am off my rocker or something is wrong, but nothing is wrong and I am not crazy. I just am unhappy when I come across someone trying to do nothing but get rich off of selling info and that is all they talk about.

You see folks, if you are smart, educated, trained, and offer a service or product that people want or need, then you don’t have to try so hard….they will gravitate to you and the money will come without having to go to some get rich marketing summit.

Some of you may not or all of you may be blinded by the thoughts of lots of cash and won’t let yourself see what is happening here.

I wish you all well and hope you do your own studies with regard to marketing. If a guy or gal is struggling with marketing any business, then they need get educated the right way.

Bedros,

I would like to address this to Tom.

Tom,

My name is William Reuter and I own a Self-Defense & Fitness business in Long Island ,NY. I feel compelled to reply because although I will in the future, I have yet to purchase any of Bedros’s products. But I will tell you that my business has catapulted after I have implemented only a few of the ideas that I have received for FREE from Bedros via e-mail and ptpower.com . What does this mean, well with the information that I have applied I have been able to reach and educate more people in the ways of PERSONAL SAFETY and PERSONAL EMPOWERMENT! Bedros and his systems has allowed me to empower more people with the life enhancing and life saving training that I provide.

I owe a lot to Bedros, and so do my many students who’s lives are being positively impacted now that he has assisted me in connecting with them.

Bedros, the work you do has a bigger effect than you might be aware of. I appreciate your commitment to the success of others.

All my best,

William Reuter
Elite Self-Protection, Inc.

William,

I am all for helping change peoples lives. That is why all of us do something dealing with fitness or helping others in some way.

I just have a problem with people trying to get rich in the manner he is doing it.

You see William, if you all of sudden since your biz has made more money, you keep thinking about more money and more money, then that is what I hope doesn’t happen to people, whether you are a Bedros follower or some Doctor who only thinks about how much more money he can get for another surgery, rather than helping folks.

If folks are coming to Bedros to just get rich, they are wrong. If they are coming to Bedros to reach more clients and help change their health and fitness, that is different.

All I see people talking about is money, money, money and how they are get more clients and making more money…..what about changing peoples lives like you are doing with your folks.

I commend you William.

Bedros,

You’re worth every penny. And if he had ever worked with you, he would know you’re not all about money.

You hold up to your guarantees and I can attest to that! And I’ve seen first hand that you take pride in our success.

Thanks for sharing your invaluable info.
Stephanie

And Tom: we don’t all have the privelege of an Army pension. We do what we do best to make a living. Bedros doesn’t teach us how to train our clients, he teaches us the art of the fitness business. And i believe that his experience and success speaks louder than any MBA or personal training certification.

Hey Bedros,

I`m one of those guys that fallow you..but don`t comment as much..! I`m a trainer from Turkey that lives and trains in California..I have my degree in Physical Education and Certified thru NSCA and I`m a fitpronewsletter user.
You may know How Turks are:) we are hot blooded man…I had to say something when I read that block and the comment about you!

Now We have this really popular expresion In Turkish..that explains human behavior…it goes like this…EVEN IF YOU PUT A GOLDEN PACKSADDLE ON DONKEY…IT`S STILL A DONKEY!

Having Qualifications and MBA doesn`t make you wise and A nice person with sense.No need to talk about too much about waht Tony said..we apprecited your business and your passion about what you do!
The information you provide is very helpful…any your products are also deliver what they promise!

So I don`t think Tom realizes what you do man….Hey Tom If you ever read this…In case if you don`t or Don`t get it..Bedros Keuilian is a Fitness Marketer Not Professor that teaches exercise science at a university!:)
Also he doesn`t put a gun on your face to buy his products…if you are not satisfied he gives your MONEY BACK!
So how is that a scam?

Non sense people Bedros…come across in life…!
We got your back man!:)

Now, I was in the Army for 8 years, and I became in charge of giving PT for my platoon, every unit I went to. After my time, I met my wife who is from Iceland, moved here and started giving bootcamp classes. I use that knowledge to help people get in shape, and yes money earned to support my family. I havebeen certified as a personal trainer and I look to people, like yourself Bedros for ideas to make me a better trainer and business person. Your methods have helped me quite a bit, and for this guy to knock you like he has…..well not ALL of us Army personnel think like he does. Dont let it get to you. Your successful, taking care of your family, and helping others! You have a huge following so dont even worry about this guy’s comments. Keep doing what your doing, period!

I am so suprised by that. I always have thought that your advice was and is some of the best stuff ever. I hope you continue because it helps so many of us and yourself as well

This is a really interesting post, and we shouldn’t shoot Tom down for giving his opinion - everyone is entitled to one.

Personally I wanted to give you my own experiences, from someone who has degrees, and several professional qualifications, and I have spent over seven years in Universities. It seems to me that what Tom is trying to say is that go and get properly trained as a fitness professional, but also go and get properly trained as a marketing professional. (I hope I have interpreted this correctly Tom)…

Having followed Bedros’ work for a couple of years now, and bought some of his products (which I found very good), I think Bedros is simply trying to say: I will teach you how to sell your own knowledge and teach you how to get more clients and help more people and make more money.

For me this is why I buy Bedros’ stuff. I dont want to do another degree in marketing, I just want quick information - how can I sell my knowledge to as many clients as possible to a) make me a good living b) help my clients. When I came out of Uni I had no money and no clue how to sell or market myself. Now I have released my first ebook and built up a successful clinic seeing over 500 clients per week.

For anyone who thinks selling things online is easy…! I quote Tom: “Any of us can go and sell information online, it’s easy these days.” I have to say its really not that easy, and I found Bedros’ info has helped me a lot to sell online.

Tom I am sure you are doing a great job, and you have found your place and seem really happy and content with life, and have a great balance. Respect.

Bedros I think you are a legend - keep up the good work. Respect as well.

Tim
Croydon Physio, UK

This is my first comment on your blog and I think everyone has already covered what I was going to say.

What a WANKA!

Mate, your emails are one of the only ones I open nowadays!

Not only do you give incredible content, everytime I leave your blog I feel on top of the world like I can achieve anything.

You are one of the few guys online who to me personally come across as genuinely caring about our success.

Please don’t change a thing Bedros and keep up the good work!

I’d like to see his:
* business models, sales and marketing strategies and systems.

Maybe he can teach you (bedros) something about all of the above??? Mmm, but I doubt it.

Oh I get it… Write a book about something that everyone has enough of.., techie stuff.

Don’t produce products about systems on marketing, getting clients, expanding your business and changing peoples lives…, no don’t do that Bedros.

This guy is a loser.

Yo Bedros
I dont know why you even put this guys post up. Keep up the good work in helping all of us fitness professionals. There is nothing wrong with making it big in this country like your doing, besides you offer 100% money back if we think your product is crap and I am an adult who can figure out if its crap or not. I have yet to return any of your products.
Lastly I have a college degree in Exercise Physiology and many certs , which in all honesty as not done crap for me in the real world .

Thanks Bedros

Tom - Thank you for outlining the exact profile of a HATER.

Man I would hate to live in your negative world… You sound so angry… I used to feel that way too (when I was broke, lost and frustrated)

So are you telling us that you believe even if someone helps tens-of-thousands of people like Bedros, it doesn’t mean shit unless some college says it does?

Really? Man, has the system got you brainwashed…

Have you ever been to one of Bedros’s event?
Have you ever purchased one of his products?
Have you ever implemented one of his strategies?
(No to all of the above)

So the question is… Why is Tom so ANGRY, and OBSESSED with talking shit about my best friend Bedros?

The answer is because guys like Tom are miserable, frustrated and scared haters.

You see, if Tom accepts the OVERWHELMING evidence and success stories that implementing Bedros’s out of the box strategies and products will increase your income while improving your life style, then Tom has a decision to make…

Keep doing what he’s doing and stay angry, miserable, blaming others rather than taking responsibility for his negative hater attitude and general unhappiness (and creepiness)

Or…

Grow some balls, step out of his comfort zone, and claim the lifestyle that he REALLY wants…

BTW - I love how Tom doesn’t list one single example of what doesn’t work about Bedros’s strategies or products…

And NO Tom, I did not post you creepy comments on my blog…

Why?

Cuz I surround my life with positive energy, and not negative HATERS.

S

Tom,

Have you ever bought any of these gentlemen’s products or attended their seminar’s?

Seems to me that their is a very high amount of support from Bedros’ customers that truly appreciate his existence.

Tom, if customers are happy and content (and just look at the above posts) and their lives and businesses have improved then I can’t see why you wouldn’t commend bedros and his colleagues?

As a certified personal trainer, our skills are totally useless unless we have enough clients to work with. And if this means we make some money when then hey isn’t that brilliant.

Tom, if you ever get the pleasure of meeting Bedros I think you’d change your opinion -

I’ve gotten to know this guy personally and know he’s one of the most focused and solid dudes I met -

He “seems” to be about money, but personally coached, helped, and partnered with me for months for free without expecting anything in return -

That’s why he can sell as much as he does and we buy as much as we do - because we know the foundation of knowledge and caring it comes from -

He’s completely transparent -

That’s why it can’t be a scam - you can attend his event, shake his hand, grill him while he’s at the urinal, and find out whether or not this guy is real or fake -

You can’t fool all of the people all of the time - in the end the truth comes out -

I’m more skeptical than any mofo out there, but I can tell the real from the fake, and this guy is the real deal -

Times are changing Tom - it’s not the same world it was just a few years ago - the same rules don’t apply - a traditional education isn’t what it used to be, and stable job is anything but -

But in some ways they’re still the same, because in America it’s the entrepreneurs that have always driven change and innovation - that’s why we’re on top -

I think your post is just a case of Bedros being a victim of his own success - you’ve pointed him out not to be of the same class as all of the billionaires and television personalities out there - that’s because his marketing is so effective, you see him everywhere - trust me, Bedros knows in the general scheme of things where he stands, and doesn’t care to be known by anyone outside of the niche he focuses on with a lazer like focus -

And I can vouch for Steve and Chris too - in the particular business we are in, if you can’t back up what you say, and don’t have a general interest in the welfare of people and taking care of them, you can’t last, plain and simple. That’s why you can command the money you do - because of the value that you put out there.

In any business, someone has to be focusing on the MARKETING - even the military has a tremendous marketing budget - they need it for their survival. Unfortunately, as start up businesspeople ourselves, we have to wear both hats as marketer and trainer, and I can see how they can in some ways contradict each other -

But in Bedros’ case, it’s a good thing he doesn’t where both hats - I’m glad he doesn’t teach me about fitness - I wouldn’t trust his marketing info in that case -same way that I’d say WTF if someone I looked to for fitness info tried to tell me about marketing -

I think you should simply congratulate Bedros for his accomplishments, listen to the people that have come to his defense here, question why what he does affects you so much, and do what you should have done the first time you ever heard of him - unsubscribe, and never come back to this blog ever again.

Hey Bedros,
The guy is allowed his opinion, even if it is the most stupid thing i have ever read. I respect he has the degree’s etc, i am currently doing a masters in applied sports science.

Now Tom i think you have missed the point completely most clients could not give a shit if you have 12 degrees and wrote 50 best seller books, what they want to know is can you deliver results.

Bedros is teaching us how to stay in the game and be good at what we do and give a great service, in return we make money, what a strange ideology getting paid for giving a great service.

I don’t know about Tom but i do not work for nothing as i would not be able to pay my mortgage, and then i would be homeless. It sounds to me that Tom is scared of the real world, stop being a bloody student all your life and start putting your knowledge to use.

But be warned you will fall flat on your ass, and then you will need the advice of someone who knows the business market we are in. I have read marketing books but they do not apply to me and my business where as Bedros, Steve, Chris, Josh etc do.

As for not focusing on Money Money Money, are you mad we live in an economic culture, nothing happens with out money like it or not, its just life. So i have some advice for you Tom. Move out of your moms house put your shit together and lets see how you do, if you can do better than the guys i listed above then i will travel to the US from the UK as i did to see bedros ( oh by the way since coming back from meeting bedros and the guys im doing 8500 GB pounds per month do the dollar conversion for yourself, and i have not put everything in to practice yet.

So put up or shut up, stop being an idiot and being a hater, hatred will burn you from the inside out, no one likes hater’s.

Okay let me start by saying this…just because you want wealth doesn’t mean that you don’t care about your clients. You are showing us how to effectively communicate with those whom we might not be able to reach out to otherwise. Because we are able to reach out to more people, we are able to make more money in less time. What the hell’s wrong with that? Listen, I have a master’s degree and have lectured at schools. SO WHAT! Prospective clients didn’t care about that. They wanted to know exactly what I could do for them. Once I started using just the free advice you give out, my husband and I earned $2500 in one day! And that was last week! And guess what those people are referral getting machines! The truth is that Tom is like the other 95% of people who will never get it…Tom, you keep on earning your humble salary and “helping” your snooty degree seeking clients. The rest of us will help the other million or so people that don’t discriminate and look down their noses at others. We appreciate you Bedros! Thanks for literally saving our family from losing everything we had last week…God Bless!

Hey Bedros,

I think Tom’s mindset is like so many Trainers out there who spend ALL their time thinking only of the qualifications and the letters after their name.

I can see his point when he thinks you are only interested in the money, but the reason he thinks like that is NOT because he is right, but because he hasn’t opened his mind to the fact that, like most of us Personal Trainers and Boot Camp Instructors out there, we need a certain level of guidance and criticism from those in the field that have been in the trenches and actually experienced what they are teaching, like yourself.

Like any Personal Training business, there is a market out there for EVERYONE in this field. Instead of accepting this fact, and seeing that you offer a valuable service to Trainers that WANT to get on, make more money and live more comfortable lives, Tom obviously believes that he can do it on his own and learn from his own mistakes.

Believe me, I used to think like that, but guess what?

I’m not perfect and right now I seem to suck at marketing, but I really appreciate the help and guidance of others in the industry, like you, who are better than me at certain skills and prepared to share that expertise with me - for a price.

After all, in what way is what you offer any different to all of us making money from other people who are either too confused, too uneducated or just too plain lazy to exercise on their own?

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US makes money from sharing information…

You are just VERY good at it!

Hope that helps… Keep rocking Bedros!

I think you’ll find more people with you, than against!

Simon

Just because Tom doesn’t believe you offer

I often find an “elitist” attitudes with folks that have done more time in school. Hey, I admire it too with my puny B.S. In my empirical observations, most trainers aren’t smart and/or have very little experience to begin with. I used to get psyched when I would interview someone with a Masters but realized a few things:
1) They felt entitled to earn more money.
2) They really had no more practical knowledge than anyone else
3) They didn’t want to work too hard.

So, too the point, how does a Master’s degree do anything but get you noticed by large layered corporations?

I subscribe to your newsletter and it wasn’t the large success I had hoped for. I often throw a personal touch on it by writing an article or something. My list is just over 1000 to e-mail to. Every now and then, I get a person e-mailing me to take me off the list.
The newsletter is mostly just content/information with barely a sales angle on it. I do feel a little upset when someone cancels or leaves a negative comment as I’m sure you did.
I do like the positive spin you put on that remark by asking us to comment. I think that was smart.
You sell marketing concepts not really training content. That guy has to get a handle on it. Working on getting a degree or another certification does little to nothing to help you get more business directly.
I do feel that sometimes your programs are a little gimmicky but the concepts can be modified. I also will admit that that is my first impression. I struggle between giving my clients the most and not being short or all about the money. I believe they are sensitive to money and your programs seem like they may undermine results.
Hey, I would love your comments back…

Big deal… I have my bachelors in exercise science… But who has helped me more than any professor???

BEDROS.

Thank you Bedros… He’s just mad because he spent too much money on a masters in business and we all learn more than we would get from an mba from you. if he says you’re all about making money than colleges are, universities, church, cults and every book out there… Oh wait they are. Its how we make what we do worth while and provide for our families.

Talk to you soon!

Sincerely,
Katrina from ToneItUpcom

I don’t agree that everything you advise works for everyone. I’ve had virtually zero success with Hi-Tech Trainer, however, being in NYC I’m in a unique market with it’s own challenges. I take some of your ideas, some ideas of my own, and do my best to make them all mesh together. I also realize that I’m only going to get out what I put in and at this point in my life, I’m not interested in putting in 40-50 hours a week to develop my business; I’m more focused on having a small but solid business that gives me free time to pursue my other passions.

At the end of the day though, this guy is probably pissed off that he has a masters degree and now runs bootcamps!!!! Good job on that one buddy! High School dropouts could run a bootcamp!

I received more information from your free stuff than a lot of people give out in weekend seminars. I appreciate that you took the high road and refused to get into name calling.

Hey Bedros

Seems to be a bit of a hater and a hypocrite as well.

Like someone else said, I agree with bits of it but he says it like your’e a scam which is just full of BS

Are you helping others - Yes
Are you helping them for free - Yes
Are you looking to sell information - Yes
Are you looking to make money - Yes
Is there anything wrong with that - No
have others made considerable profits from what you provide - Yes
Are we all doing this in some shape or form whether we’re selling fitness or the business of fitness - Yes
Are we going to achieve anything without giving value - No
Do you give value - YES, YES , YES

Is there anything wrong about talking money - No

If the other is true, then we’re all guilty in some shape or form I guess : )

Keep doing what you’re doing Bedros and remove the haters

Joe,
WOW I am so happy my 6:30am client called out on me today or i may not have read this for another 7 hours. I am not big on telling people that I am this or that but because this guy opened up the fllod gates let me say this about me so for him and others with a MBA that looks down on the people that took a different road. I have been running my own fitness company for 13 years, i was the health and fitness coach for the entire city of Philadelphia, I had my own local fitness show, graced the pages of a number of local and national magazines.
My client list includes Super Bowl Champions, Pro-Bowlers and some of the top music people in the game. I am ranked one of the best on the east coast. I wonder how many millioniares and billionaries trust him with the future of them selfs and family.

And no I don’t have a degree in fitness and I check my email weekly for your stuff to see what I can learn always wanting to give something back to you. Now I can, this may be long but I hope you can post it for all to see just like you did for him. You are doing a service for all of us that not only want too help people change their lives but also put food on the table for our family. I have gained a lot but if I had this type of information when I got started I would not have filed a chapter 11 and lose my house, 3 cars and my first wife. trying to build a fitness company learning only from mistakes.

If you EVER need a east coast team give me a call me and my team will stand tall and proud next to you and all of your services.
p.s. sorry about spelling mistakes had to do this fast…you guys know whats like

I think he’s Dr. Michael Porter trying to sell his book on your blog. Wait a sec… are you an affiliate?!?! Is that what this is about!?!?! LOL juusss kiddin

David

Here is the bottom line, what Tom has failed to understand is that most of the people that are fitness trainers are not marketers, there fitness trainers. Because of that a lot of them who are good at what they do, fail in the fitness business. Just because your a good or even great trainer does that mean people will come breaking down your door to train with you. They to first know who you are and where your door is and if your not used to selling yourself that will not happen.

You are doing the fitness trainers a great service, because you are taking the guess work out of how to market, so we don’t have to go back to school and learn the supposed correct way.

By the way the way I hold a BA in Marketing and that was a bunch of crap, when you get in the real world you find out that 80% of that stuff you learned was a bunch of crap.

You keep doing what your doing, helping people be successful in their individual businesses and if you make a ton of money doing it God bless you!!!!!

I have been a Fitness Consultant and Trainer for 20 years and I wish I had your information when I first started. It has already helped me secure more business and has given me a renewed outlook on my own fitness business. Thank you.

one last point to Tom, if you think one must get educated at a college or university, you are a fool!!!! Universities are nothing more than a big business themselves!!!!! The bullshit that goes on at colleges behind the scenes is sickening. Can you get a good education there? Sure, but there is no substitute for good old fashioned hands on experience. Bedros has no obligation to educate us on fitness. He is not selling himself to people who aren’t trainers; he has a certain niche and an expectation from his client base and that is that he already knows he is dealing with personal trainers. There are only so many ways to do a biceps curl, he doesn’t need to waste time teaching us that. I live in NYC and the city is FILLED with trainers struggling to get by cuz they don’t know jack shit about how to attract and keep clients. Again, I don’t think everything Bedros teaches works, but at the end of the day it is about helping people but we have to earn a living too. I have literally been evicted from my apt in my quest to “help people” because I was worried about everyone else BUT me. Now I take a better look at my business and make it work for ME, so that I can continue to help more and more people.

Bedros gives us info; maybe he didn’t think it all up but big deal, he researches it; backs it up with references and consolidates it and gives it to us in an easy to use form. There is nothing wrong with that.

Tom,

Here is where your missing the mark most of the people that are getting more clients aren’t neglecting their old clients, their changing more lives. And since it is a business if they make more money in the process great. I believe that is called a win-win situation. If you think because a trainer is starving that make him a better trainer then your degrees have not helped you at all. Fitness Training is all about the changing of lives and your either good at it or your not. The good ones should be here making a great living, the bad ones should find another profession. Which one are you is the real question, I hope its the good one!!!!!

But since I don’t see you giving anyone any business tips on how to run a successful Fitness Business don’t knock someone who is. Stick to being the good Fitness Trainer, if you are one.

Hi All,

This is a disagreement that neither side can win or even prove the other false. Why? Because both sides make legitimate points. So, I will try to step back and see the forest while admitting that the trees each side sees exist in the forest. Let me begin by asking a question:

If a huckster in Times Square stands in under a Broadway Marque selling umbrellas while it is thundering and beginning to rain, does he need to be concerned about his audience catching a cold in order for his umbrellas to work? Does he need a degree in meteorology to back up his claim that it is going to pour any second now for his umbrellas to work?

I think not. However, it is up to the buyer to decide if: a) he needs an umbrella; b) he wants the one this man is selling; 3) he wants to do business with this man.

If the person says yes to all of this, where is the problem?

The only problem I can see is if the man represents himself in a false way; which would unduly influence the potential buyers’ decision.

This could be one area where all of the get to know me and my family info unduly make potential customers feel like they are your friend and so by inference, you must their their friend also. Everyone would rather do business with a friend who wouldn’t cheat or hurt them.

This seems to me to be the crux of this issue.

Sincerely,
Gary Giamboi
Training by Gary, LLC

Ironically I send Pete a video testimonial about how much i APPRECIATE YOU LAST NIGHT (BEFORE i EVEN READ THIS)

ENOUGH SAID

NO..ONE MORE THING - HE’S A DICK

Hey Bedros

Iv been in the fitness industry 6 years now, worked as a fitness manager and a PT, started reading your stuff 2 months ago and it has been the most productive 2 months Ive ever had. If you were UK based I would definately attend your events. I have tried and tested some of your systems with great results,Im not “scamming” anyone they still get a quality product from me but no I am better at getting people to come and sample my quality product!

Keep up the good work!

Mark

Hey Bedros,

You, Steve and Chris provide an awesome service man! You are definitely not ripping anyone off - I currently spend only $110/month on your products (FitPro Mewsletter & Hitech Trainer) and the returns on this minimal investment have been tremendous! My businees has made thousands from your FREE tips alone (check out my site!), so PLEASE don’t stop now - LET THE HATERS HATE. Like I always say, if no one’s talking about you, you’re doing something wrong.

As a fellow entrepreneur, we share a similar background - very intelligent but college wasn’t right for me; always saw flaws in the standard corporate system; enjoy the challenge of creating and sustaining my own income; and hate the rat race with a passion. True entrepreneurs are a different breed by nature - the old-school, go to college, work hard and get a good job thinkers will never understand us (there is nothing wrong with college - my wife has a BS in Molecular Biology - but it is not the only route to success). Just accept that you are different & 95% of the country will not understand you. People in the U.S. are trained from a young age to become part of the system (work hard, keep your head down, get a steady check), because that is what this country was founded and relies upon. This has been drummed into people for so long that anything else is considered weird or wrong. Just know that what you are doing is right, if only for a small percentage of society.

Hi Bedros

Well I would say to ignore what Tom said. If he doesnt like what your writing he doesnt have to read it. He is obviously an academic type, the type that think that the more qualifications you have the better. I my experience the people that have phd’s etc tend to have no personal skills, come accross very boring, and know a lot about a very small, maybe even insignificant detail that does have much use in our PRACTICAL environment.

This guy annoyed me. I love you stuff, and it was what I had been look for, for years!! keep going.

I think if you were to do a printed book that would be a best seller offline too, because it good info and would be the only one of its kind.

I think it’s jealousy. You are doing well and making money and chances are he’s not and wants to be.

Of course you’re products seems like a scam to him and maybe to others but the only reason is because they read and don’t TAKE ACTION. If I hadn’t attended your fitness summit in 2007, I probably still wouldn’t be running a training business. I’d probably be stuck in a gym somewhere or worse, not even in the fitness biz anymore.

You are providing valuable information. Information you are passionate about and that doesn’t require a degree. You probably spend more time studying and learning online, from books, for others, or conferences than people that are in college studying. And I went to college. I learned a bunch of stuff I will never use, and now my attention is focused and EVERYTHING i study and learn is valuable. I can more selective because I’m not forced to take this class or that for my “degree”.

As he said…it was his 2 cents. He may “teach” his way & you may “Teach” your way. Either way you are both teachers & help many. Thank you for helping me.

Hey Bedros,
Just goes to show you that success is bitter sweet. He sounds like a guy who is pissed off that he has all this formal education, and a traditional fitness and marketing background who is not happy with his current level of success. It is people like you Bedros that consistently take things to the next level that end up being super set, and living the dream. It may not be relevent here but didn’t Bill Gates drop out of college. That guy is just bitter and jealous. I don’t think your a scammer Bedros, no way, you are just doing things a little differently and reaping the rewards. Rock on man no worries, and catch me on Facebook. The Shape Shifter

Well isnt it a good thing we all live in a free world where each individual is allowed to do whatever they damded well please, and NOT be told what should or shouldnt be done for whatever reason. sorry Tom, but your self ritousness wont and cant be sold, its as useless as selling religion to a atheist! you have no right to tell anyone what to do with their money and time, Bedros from what i can tell isnt breaking any “human passed laws” so your opinion isnt worth shit to anyone that turns to him for his “information”.

And the very people you say should do research to better themselves obviously are, “Research” by definition means to search,explore and examine. What do you think these people are doing? the only reason anyone does anything is to help themselves. you opinion is contradictory to say the least, 1) you where either “researching” marketing yourself (in a bid to either make money or some form of income)or you where told about Bedros and A) decided it may be worth looking in to “Research or B) you just couldnt help yourself but to get on here and attack him with everything youve got and proove that your an asshole! cause we can assume you didnt just get online and Google the word Bedros Keuilian by random chance, found his site, read through it and decided he was a “schemer”!

I also yeild a degree, in Medical science as a matter of fact, which i recieved AFTER being a PT for many years. and am now studying Physics, and can honestly say that bedros was the final Guy i found with marketing tactics specifically for fitness (because anyone who has worked the PT business will know people need to be kicked in the ass to get out of their own way) that i could find when i was, i’ve read many many books on marketing even some from your beloved Dr. Porter form Harvard, its all good but time wouldnt permit like most to develop a business built on those formulas, now i have never said anything bad about any of them, and guess what i found, out of them all PhDs included, BOTH Bedros and Anthony Robbins (the two guys without formal education in the marketing feild) have books and information products on my top book shelf next to my medical collections. the others are resting nicely on the bottom shelf collecting dust!…WHY? because they get to the point, they give me what i want when i want it! regardless of their acedemic background.

If i need medical or physics information i go to a textbook or to a university for the information, if i need quick fix fitness marketing ideas to use, i go to Bedros, if i need a quick pick me up and self confidence i read some Tony Robbins.
So why would others listen to you Tom, who not a single person on this site has ever heard of! Bedros has got it down, give people what they seek, he obviously delivers it! when you show that others can do it better im sure they will follow, but for now! this is the way it is! leave it alone man, your pushing hot shit uphill, your opinions are frail and have no place here. I have academic training, and to be honest it can sometimes be a burden, knowing too much about a topic can cause you to question alot of things.

Acedemics is a great tool to have for yourself and if you want to help mankind in someway, medicine for a better drug or cure, engineering for a better car or use of energy etc… but as for use in everyday events, its useless! just because i want to sit in a plane and fly to america does not mean i want the pilot to tell me how its built and how the GPS works, BUT you give me a better flight for less and im sold! I can not talk to my mates about any of the stuff i know through acedemia because it simply goes straight over their heads, and so it damd well should, there is no need for that information outside of the laboratory! people dont want to know it! they trust that we as trainers, doctors, physicists etc.. have the smarts to look after them! and we do! So your opinion is truly worthless and wasted here! take it elsewhere!

Bedros the one thing you should take from this clown is go and Write a book on fitness marketing like he said! it’ll sell mate! Guaranteed!

Bedros,

I think what you are doing is awesome. I think it is good to have negative feedback but we need to focus on the positive. That is what will drive us to do and be better individuals. You have helped me and thousands of other people. There are a massive amount of people out there that are extremely successful without a college education. You keep doing what you are doing. There are plenty of us out here that will continue to listen. Thank you for all your help, guidance, and support.

Sincerely,

Tanya Jones

Hello there! Just stumbled upon your blog and feels sad reading about this. I agree that you should really not mind comments like this that much. Anyway, your readers and “followers” enjoy reading your blog and that’s what matters most, right? Cheers!

Smells like shit!

Feels like shit!

Looks like shit!

Bill Gates didn’t finish college either; freakin revolutioned the computer world.

I didn’t finish college either, have been blessed with 3 fitness companies.

We still need people to attend college; everybody can learn something from it.

I’m sure we don’t all Agree with what Bedros does/says, but this guy is changing the way fitness professionals are tweaking their business model and definition of success and that includes me.

I have never had one client/camper ask for my certification; like Mike Boyle says; trainers want to post their “ABCs” of 20 certifications they have on business cards,etc. Clients/campers want results not your freakin transcripts!

Why waste your money and time if your heart is not truly into college?

http://www.indybootcamps.com
http://www.myfitkids.com
http://www.goldmedalcoaching.net

Hey Bedros,

Not sure where the other people stand, but charging $97 to attend a fitness summit is not a mony making scheme as far as I am concerned…

I agree with Tom that we need to give to get back and I believe that the posts that yourself, Chris McCombs & Steve Hochman post each day FOR FREE and GIVE out daily really do have a lot of marketing ideas etc that we the average put into place oursleves can make us alot of money. I have just done one of yours & Chris’s ideas from a post recently that has already made me a few thousand dollars and I haven’t paid you a cent yet ( I lie I am coming to Fitness Summit so $97. I don’t think that is a bad deal really, i make several thousand dollars and give you $97).
Now I have signed up to Chris’s private coaching and already after a week has made a significant difference to my business. Granted yes we all went and did a course to get our qualifications, but as you all know many trainers lead a stupidly busy lifestyle and don’t have the time to go to College ( or the desire to ). Myself is in this group…

If the programs, DVD’s, E-Books you sell make us money then I don’t see them as a scam. Yes I admit we are giving you money but I hardly think you are not supplying valuable information when it makes us money also.

We all need to make a living and if you guys are smart enough to put the programs etc in place that can help people like us then I can’t see a problem with it at all.

To be honest when i select my staff to work for me I do not employ the person with the college degree as they just don’t have the life experience or knowledge required to handle our clients, I pick the average Joe that did the basics and has the people that most college grads don’t.

Tom, I am all about changing people’s lives for the better as I am sure are all the other trainers, that is why I got into this business in the first place, and I have to say I now own Australia’s Personal training Business of the Year. Which I believe is a testament to my dedication to my clients but I do not train them for nothing. Yes I am in this business to make money and I am sure you are too??? Do you train your clients for FREE??

If we can pick up some great ideas from a few very smart people about how to market our business ( granted it may be because we can’t do it ourselves) that helps us reach more people in our communitiy that we can help get fitter, stronger, whilst changing people’s lives why not??

Bedros, Chris, Steve keep up the great work and I will see you at the $97 Fitness Business Summit. If nothing else Bedros your sales should go up from this awesome marketing exposure ( or is this one of your marketing ideas to make more money??? good idea if so!!!)

Scott

Scott

Tom has a point that there are, unfortunately, tons of people online with info products who don’t really know what they’re talking about. In fact, I’d have more respect for his comments if they were directed at unethical trainers scamming an unsuspecting public.

Tom might have a point if Bedros was making money telling non-trainers or lousy trainers how to hoodwink the public. However, the fitness marketers I follow are upfront about the fact that, in the end, great marketing won’t help bad trainers who can’t deliver results.

There are lots of successful entrepeneurs who did not have a college degree and lots of MBAs who failed. I’m not sure why Tom is so hung up on that. Personally, I’d take the advice of someone who’s done it over someone who’s studied it.

Considering the tons of free information Bedros gives, I think it’s really unfair to try to portray him as some money grubbing snake oil salesman.

Tom seems to think that Bedros needs to offer exercise info/workshops; only then it would be acceptable for him to sell marketing. Why? That information is readily available. It seems to me that there are far more trainers who are knowledgable about exercise prescription than marketing their services.

The bottom line in business is making money. All of the altruistic values in the world won’t help you if you can’t get clients. Bedros is servicing a niche for fitness pros who want to reach more people.

Oh Tom Tom Tom,

You have so much to learn. First of all don’t you have anything better to do than to go around to people’s blogs and criticize other professionals for trying to not only make a living, but help people to enjoy their lives, their success, and their quality of life just a bit more? The fact that we even have to sit here and justify to you how knowledgeable and helpful and good-hearted Bedros is is absolutely ridiculous. But if you wrote something incredibly false and scathing about me on my blog, you better believe that Bedros would be the first person to come to my defense….bc that’s they kind of person he is.

Quick question: Have you ever even glanced at one of Bedros’ info products, shared email communication with him, or even had a conversation with him Tommy Boy (it’s cool that I call you Tommy Boy right?)

You see, I have had the privilege of working on a more individual level with Bedros and I have never met someone that is not only so incredibly down to earth and friggen HILARIOUS, but he genuinely cares about me, my business, and my inevitable success- and he has gone way above and beyond what he is “supposed to do” to help me out. He is my biggest supporter and my biggest cheerleader. He’s not afraid to just tell it like it is (even if it’s not what I want to hear), and be my voice of reason. He by no means sugarcoats his education or background- in fact he is very point-blank about the fact that he didn’t finish college. But take it from someone who did go to college (and studied business marketing!): I have learned more from Bedros (and steve and chris) in the past year than I learned in all 4 years of college. Education has many different definitions.

And in actuality (since you so graciously brought them into this as well), Steve and Chris are also two of the most amazing guys you will ever encounter- both have the utmost love for their family, their clients, their supporters. They too are examples of people that have really gone beyond what they “had” to do in order to just simply help people. And as for them “letting themselves go”, have you not been reading both of their blogs? Both of them are tearing it up in the gym, getting back on top of their nutrition, and more importantly aren’t afraid to share it with their readers and followers that they did in fact get off the wagon, but they are back on and I can’t wait for you to see them when they have finished what they started…and they will.

At the end of the day, we are all in this business to help people better their lives, but how are we supposed to help people if we don’t have the right marketing to help bring them in the door? How can we keep them motivated if we don’t know their fears, frustrations, and desires?

You get my point Tom, and you should be able to see from all the responses to your blog post that the people that you are non-stop belittling have earned all our love, respect, and affection- so much that we would all come to their defense when someone such as yourself tries to put them down.

I suggest that you use all of this energy that you are wasting by putting other people down, and try using it in a more productive manner…perhaps start by reading “The Art Of Selling Fitness”. It’s one of my all time faves.

Good luck to you Tom, and I hope you can tame your animosity and start using your energy for the good….

Tom,

You are talking yourself in circles and setting yourself up for a lot of counterarguments because what you are saying is flawed in so many ways.

Do you realize that perhaps YOU have bought into a scam as you call it by being so absolutely devoted to the academic system that you’re so in love with?

I have a graduate degree and plan on getting a lot more schooling over the course of my life, but college is just a piece of paper to show that you are willing to put in some hard work to achieve something - nothing more.

Most academic work is absolutely useless or insignificant, or both. Real world applied knowledge (i.e. actually doing in real life what you have read and learned about) has ALWAYS been the point. Just learning in and of itself is absolutely useless without a practical outcome.

And what you are essentially saying is that getting that academic piece of paper is the desired outcome, when it is NOT. The desired outcome is real life success.

Your hero, Dr. Porter has NEVER actually run a company in real life. He has NEVER gone out into the real world with no money and no safety net and made a success of himself. He has spent his entire career jumping from academic role to academic role, writing books about things he has never done. If you ask me that is absolute BULLSHIT. So what if he wrote some books if he hasn’t ever actually done any of what he talks about in them.

On the other hand, you have a whole bunch of other people who have never written books, are not the most educated or intellectual guys, but who GET SHIT DONE. You actually mentioned a bunch of them yourself in your post. Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs - all billionaires, all without any academic credentials to their name. Who has achieved more, them or Dr. Porter? He has sat in an office and written a bunch of books. They have revolutionized the world and become billionaires.

If you just blindly believe that anyone who has academic credentials is better than anyone who doesn’t then it is YOU who has bought into the scam and lies. If you just thought for yourself for one minute instead of just blindly buying into that idea you’d be a lot richer, in many ways.

I agree with you that the bottom line is not just about money, but Bedros has never claimed to be all about the money. You can find thousands of trainers around the world who will tell you that Bedros has changed their lives with what he has taught them. And I think Bedros himself will tell you that is much more satisfying than any money he makes, and that is what matters to him in life. Sure the money is great, but his mission in this world was not to be here to make a lot of money. It was to touch lives of personal trainers everywhere, and that is exactly what he has done.

On the other hand, how many people do you think would say that Dr. Porter has changed their life? How many people feel as though they owe him a debt of gratitude for what he has taught them? I’d guess very few. Mostly they’d probably be annoyed with him for writing a lot of very pompous books about things he has never done himself that they were forced to read in college.

Get your head out of the sand dude. Just sitting and learning for the sake of it is worthless. It’s all about application, and that’s what all of Bedros’ stuff is about - applied knowledge.

If you are so doubtful of Bedros’ capabilities then why don’t you put him to the test.

Put him in any city in America with no money and no contacts and I guarantee you within a few months he will have a thriving personal training business and will have helped dozens of people get in great shape and change their lives. Then do the same thing with you or Dr. Porter.

Who do you think would come out on top in that challenge, and why?

I’ll leave you with that question.

re: Tom’s comment:

“If folks are coming to Bedros to just get rich, they are wrong. If they are coming to Bedros to reach more clients and help change their health and fitness, that is different.All I see people talking about is money, money, money and how they are get more clients and making more money…..what about changing peoples lives like you are doing with your folks.”

I can see where he is coming from. This is obviously a heated debate on the blog here, but I CAN see Tom’s point, and have honestly thought the same thing. It does appear to be too much of a “get rich now” feeling among Bedros, Steve and his followers. Kind of like a cult. Scary, really.

Bedros what you do for me every day is make me think. I own my training business and with out you and your Idea’s. Or people that you talk to on video. This guy I really can’t figure him out. I was in sell’s for 12 years. Thought o’kay this should work in this type of market also. Lets just say I was wrong and have learned alot of lessons from you for free. Wish you the best Bedros

Check it out TOM,

I understand exactly what you are saying!
Your problem is YOUR A HATER regaurdless of how you are trying to position yourself!! You obviously have never bought anything from him or follow his blog enough to get it! or maybe your just slow and you dont understand any of the information.

You see I dont have a college degree. And I have always dreamed of having a business of my own. I have ONE product from bedros and it is HiTech Trainer(which kicks ass).even without that, I was able to successfully launch a boot camp here in the houston suburbs that ROCKS! Without marketing you would never be able to have a super successful business!

Do you wanna know how i did it? (shhh its a secret, dont tell anyone)

-FREE BLOG INFORMATION FROM BEDROS, STEVE, AND CHRIS!!!(without buying all the other stuff from him, which btw, i will be picking up some of his products and attending FBS10)

ALL of their blogs are filled with FREE information on how to draw people to your business so that you can help the people that need help. Without people knowing where your at or what you offer, how can you help them? YOU HAVE TO KNOW MARKETING!

Anybody can go stand up in front of a class and talk about fitness and marketing but the truth is that marketing and fitness is much more complex than just giving a 1 hour stand up tutorial or how to “get in shape” or “eat right”. It takes long hours of research, learning, and studying to get it right.

So my question to you is- If your so much into helping people and not caring about your profits from it, is your boot camp FREE?

Last time i check most people in the world didnt start a boot camp to make $0 from it!!

Point is, TOM, degree or no degree, You shouldnt knock something if you dont even follow it! Because if you did follow it and TAKE MASSIVE ACTION WITH THE THINGS YOU LEARNED FROM THE BLOGS, you wouldnt be making posts like this!!

To Bedros,

You shouldnt let something like this get to you! theres always going to be haters in the world and thats just part of everything! Think about all of the success stories you have made with you free blog and your products that cost?!

I bet you could compile a legitmate list of people that have made a killing from your advice and TOM wouldnt have anything close to that from his FREE CLASSROOM STAND UPS!

KEEP DOING WHAT YOUR DOING!!!

-BRYAN FRANKLIN

P.S. THANKS FOR ALL OF THE INFORMATION YOU STRIVE SO MUCH TO PUT OUT THERE!! IT HAS TRUELY MADE A DIFFERANCE IN MY LIFE BY ALLOWING ME TO START A BUSINESS I LOVE AND ACHEIVE THE FINANCIAL FREEDOM I DREAMED ABOUT!!

I read the post this am and this is my opinion.

I am in the fitness industry to help people in any way I can….PERIOD…. this is why I show up every day to my Bootcamps. I have over 6 years post secondary education and over 20 certifications, yes I am knowlegable when it comes to fitness. I have done not a bad job with marketing my company, but I can always improve and that’s why I come to Bedros.He and his fitness summits have given me some key points to market my fitness company more effectively, I pick and choose what I want to use. I do not go to Bedros to develop my exercises for my Bootcamps, thats why I go to conferences to expand my knowledge and use cutting edge techniques.
I have a slogan :you can’t please everyone but if your pleasing the majority… your doing a good job. Maybe Bedros’ techniqies are not for everyone, thats ok.I can now help more clients now then I ever could before, and thats what it really comes down to.
Help people first, the money will come if your doing a good job and you have passsion for what you do.

Well, this is my FIRST comment ever:
I have read yours and Steve’s stuff for the last few months and am a better trainer and WAY better business woman because of it.
I have never paid you a cent.
I think you do what we all do (as trainers) give a ton of great information to all…and those that want specifics and more of our time have to pay for it.
We do have to make money at this afterall.
I will continue to offer you my support in as many ways as I can, and maybe eventually, will even pay you for your awesome information…at this point you have given me enough tools for free and I thank you for it! Sara

ONE MORE THING!!

STEPHANIE POOL - RIGHT ON, I 100% AGREE WITH YOU!!

WHEN PEOPLE COME TO OUR BOOT CAMPS AND FITNESS CENTERS, WE DO CHANGE THEIR LIVES - THATS WHY PEOPLE COME TO IT! THE GET SLIMMER AND HEALTHIER WHICH MAKES A DIFF. IN THEIR LIVES! SUCCESS STORIES DONT HAPPEN BY THEM SELFS!!

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOUR IN DEBT AND ARE UNHAPPY WITH YOUR CAREER, WHAT KIND OF LIFE CHANGING THINGS ARE YOU GOING TO WANT TO HELP PEOPLE WITH IF YOU CANT EVEN HELP YOURSELF BE HAPPY.

THERE HAS TO BE A POINT IN LIFE WHERE YOU MAKE YOUR SELF HAPPY WHICH IS WHAT HAVING A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS HELPS PEOPLE ACHIEVE!(Bedros helps people do THIS)

IF YOU ARE HAPPY YOUR CAN THEN PUT 100% FOCUS ON MAKING OTHER PEOPLE HAPPY!!

It doesn’t matter where you go if you want info of any kind you will have to pay for it. So, I wonder if Tom considers schools to be a scham because you have to pay money for your education.

Tom - I have a masters degree in kinesiology and am certified through ACSM and teach part time at a local prestigious university in the kinesiology department. I also have my own personal training business. (over 15 years now) Over the years I have watched intelligent, well educated people go to other less educated trainers due to their marketing efforts which I use to categorize as get rich quick scams, especially when they “guaranteed” results. Coming from an academic background I viewed those tactics as desperate and low class. Well, I am here to say that I am tired of losing clients to less educated trainers simply because I refused to get with the program that works. Bedros is right on target when he talks about what people really want. They truly don’t care about our credentials, and yes WE SHOULD have credentials, but they want to know what kind of results we have produced - not where we were educated. I attended the Fitness Business Summit this year with Bedros and company and came away with a fresh perspective about my business, and am finally taking it to the next level thanks to the information I received at this conference. It is possible Tom to truly care about making a difference in people’s lives AND make a good living at the same time. The more money I make the more I have time to help other people and be of service to others that are less fortunate - in and out of my work setting. Bedros - keep doing what you are doing! I am spreading the word to all of my academically oriented colleagues and they are fired up as well. I’ve wasted enough time on this email . . . now it’s time to get back to my online marketing efforts that ARE working - thank you Bedros!!!

Man, I bet Bedros IS Tom Schneider. GREAT marketing Bed…oops, I mean Tom!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That’s Funny; you know I once I had a doctor tell one of my clients they should start taking double their dose of medication for their high blood pressure. Why with an 8 year degree wouldn’t the doctor just tell them that they need to exercise and eat better? To me that is a get rich quick scheme.

Keep up the good work Bedros, see you in Orlando.

PS.- The only difference between the info you write and a published book is a publisher.

Hey guys,

I have all of the books used in Stanford’s MBA program and have READ them.

I went to graduate school for exercise science.

I’ve trained olympic and professional athletes, and have been a strength coach at 2 colleges.

I’ve got four 6′ bookshelves full of GOOD training information (threw out all of the crappy stuff).

I’ve got another 3 bookshelves full of business and marketing stuff by Dan Kennedy, John Carlton, Eben Pagan, etc…

I’ve even got a bunch of info products from OTHER fit biz gurus.

Let me lay it down:

I wasn’t making enough money to keep gas in my car and the hot water turned on in my shitty apartment until I bought Bedros’s Close Clients DVD. I had to watch it at someone else’s house because my electricity was turned off. Very next prospect I had in front of me I closed. And the next. I was finally able to get people the help they needed and keep myself off the street.

I started college majoring in Artificial Intelligence and took programming classes for a few years. My websites always sucked and never brought me in any clients. Chris McCombs’s Market Annihilator Program got me to 8 of the first 10 spots on google, better than the seo company I tried. And it did it in a matter of days.

My bootcamp had 3 people in it, paying basically whenever they felt like it. Fit Body Bootcamp has blown that part of my business up, so that as a recent response to a position posting I had over 700 responses, 8 of whom have 2 master’s degrees, 17 have one masters, and one is a doctor of education. They want to learn this stuff from me that I’ve learned from Bedros and Steve Hochman.

Basically, I have a shit-ton of education but I couldn’t use any of it until Bedros, Chris, and Steve gave me the right tools.

Thanks Bedros!

~ Luke Wold

PS - Bedros, one of my clients is finishing her master’s degree in marketing. I said, “Boy, I bet you can’t wait to get out of school and start selling shit!”

She looked aghast and said, “I didn’t get in to marketing to sell things!!”

Hahahaha

My opinion….. I am 50/50 on the comment by the Holmes. This is my experience with your compadres. Specifically, you and Mcombs,

I have purchased FitPro newsletter, Fitness summit reg, How to close 9-10, and Marketing Annihilator. My perspective is that ya’ll don’t force me to buy any of your products/ although through persistancy you are in my inbox daily….. not a bad thing good marketing lesson.

If I spend $39-$100 on a product I don’t expect much beyond the product and then it is my responsibility to implement and adjust it to meet my needs( How to close, Fitpro Newsletter-which I blew up for you at a presentation @ Dallas Mania last week 10% referral fee……)

But if I spend $1997( Marketing Annihilator), 1 “how can we help you get the most out of this product that you just paid 2 grand for” would at least give your customers the trust and belief that somebody on the other end wants to help you succeed and would also create a win$$$$- win$$$ relationship.

I also understand that this is how your products are set-up. BUY-Implement-Profit, and stroking your customers is not part of the deal, and I accept full responsibility for success and failure.

But 2G and no phone call or a real email from the ‘support’ system, c’mon! We are in the service business and it seems your crew would understand how important it is to establish a relationship beyond auto-generated sales contacts.

I like your stuff and just wanted to give you a little perspective feed back.

It is funny how much people with university/college degrees can’t figure out that there are things that happen in the real world that school will NEVER teach you. I am a Fitness professional, Entrepreneur and owner of a Software company for fitness professionals, I train a professor of marketing - she also writes some of the textbooks that other people use at their universities and when I talk to her about some marketing concepts I have to say she doesn’t really get what is happening in the real world.

School is great but the Real World is better! Get out there and grow your business using what ever tools work for you!

Nikki Layton
http://www.myvolo.com

Hey Tom,

Vince DelMonte here. You’re right, you get what you focus on and today’s obsessions DO become tomorrow’s realities so thanks for the caution of not becoming “money-hungry” which is a fast spiral downward. I don’t think anybody would disagree with you on that.

It sounds like you’re a great candidate for all of Bedro’s products. You want to help other people first. You’ve proven that which is truly noble. But the next step is to figure out how to help MORE people, no? Bedro’s systems do just that… but you may start making extra money in the process if that’s okay with you?

If the system you’re following is working and you’re truly happy then keep doing what you’re doing champ. Rock on.

However if you’re system is NOT helping more people then you’re not being true to yourself and what you claim to be all about - others.

Like Tony Robbins says, “Success leaves clues,” and if a lot of people around you are helping MORE people than you it wouldn’t hurt to see what they are doing that you’re not doing.

My only question for you is: Would you feel GUILTY if YOU became rich helping a lot of people?

If so, you might want to re-evaluate your belief system because it may hinder you in pursuing your higher calling of helping others.

Hope to meet you at a live event some day.

Vince Del Monte
http://www.VinceDelMonteFitness.com

Bedros,

I’ve honestly have never spent a penny on any of your products. I do, however, read all of your emails and listen closely to everything you say. I’ve made very good money from your free advice(guess who’s starting a 21 day rapid fat loss boot camp tomorrow morning at 6am) You give away tons of good info to build trust so that when you have a product worth selling some people will buy it. That’s just smart business. There will always be people who think your a scammer because you sell a service on the net. But there will also be people like me appreciate what you do, benefit from it, and pay it forward. I really don’t think I need to say this but don’t stop what you’re doing. And Thank you.

Bedros,

I have my education in fitness and I remember back in college that there was no classes on marketing your business or how to get people in. And to Steve Hochman….There is nothing on how to interact with people and make them have fun.

That being said I was in college for fitness 10 years ago and have been through it all like you….Worked for the big chain then managed it. Opened my own studio then sold it.

If I didn’t see value in what you have to say I wouldn’t listen. I wouldn’t buy products. And i would burn your onto cd’s so I could listen in my car.

You make sense my friend….Don’t ever stop. You give enough free info to change someones life….And on a regular basis….We are all grown ups and make our choice to listen to you….If you don’t like it Fuck off and don;t listen….

I like it…I’ll keep listening

Johnny

Bedros, Here is my 2 cents. Yes you are a money man(and some of the stuff is a bit goofy, but there are a lot of gems too!) Money is not a bad thing!AND money is not everything!… as you said “success for you is having your wife stay at home with your kids” and “being able to do the things you want when you want”. You have helped me expand and connect with more people through your marketing techniques. I am a healer and the fitness business has given me the means to help people change their lives for the better on a daily basis! I have amazing testimonials and success stories that no money can ever take the place of. I am also a business man and money is part of the deal too. A certain percentage of my income is donated to charity because that makes me feel good! I donate to charities and fund raisers for cancer patients, give free sessions to people who can’t afford them,… I have a great quote from Deepak Chopra’s book “Creating Affluence” in which he says “I want to have unlimited wealth, and with that unlimited wealth, I want to help heal the world.”
Having said all that, I enjoy many of your products and marketing techniques and I am grateful to have them assist me in expanding my business and healing more people. I will be at FIS in Orlando and would love to be the person you bring step by step through the process!
There is another saying I learned as a young kid with respect to any teaching “take what works for you and discard the rest”. I am not here to judge you or anyone else, but if you feel you have gotten away from your mission then perhaps you need to be consider Tom’s words more closely. That’s for you to decide, you need to look at yourself in the mirror every day.
I thank you for encouraging me to take massive action and get my information out there to more people and groups and ultimately help more people. You are helping me be more efficient, achieve my goals, heal more people and live the life I want for myself! Thanks, Drew

hmmm here is what i have to say about you, yoru products and tom:

you: don’t know you well enough to make an honest sincere judgement other than we have a lot in common (i have hardcore ADD and was on ridalin, concerta and then stratera until i descided to be off meds when i was 15).

your products: i have bought the hitechtrainer software and your “how to close 9 out of 10 clients” program so i can give honest judgement. i have had the hitechtrainer software for about three weeks and already have descided that i would like to cancel. there has been non-stop problems with my clients not being able to open pages, me not being abel to open pages, the buy buttons on the site not integrating with paypal (when part of your sales points was that it easily integrates and i have a great web designer who cant get it working) and have had zero support from your company. and i have called hte number on yoru contact page, left quite a few voicemails and have gotten no reply. on top of that i dont even know how to cancel it so i dont keep getting billed to use the software. as far as your other product that i purchased “how to close 9 out of 10 clients” i dont use the sales script you presented word for word but definitely got a lot out of the system and have been closing tons of clients with it. so that is great. i cant judge on any other products.

tom: it seems obvious that tom is certified by ACSM, is passionate about his career and does continued learning through ACSM. ACSM is a great certification, but in comparison to other national certifications, ACSM seems to put a great emphasis on the scientifc side of fitness and less on the application side of personal training. where as many other certifications tend to focus on programming and application fo the science to what we do (not sure if i am making sense). for trainers who get caught up in the scientific aspect of personal training a lot of times i find that many of them judge a trainers worth by the letters after their name or the degrees they carry and tend to assume that if you are not a college graduate you cant possibly be as good of a trainer as them. obviously this isnt true as there are many great trainers out there who are just as passionate as tom about what they do but dont feel that they need to spend thousands of dollars for school, go through all the general education such as history and literature and mathematics that have nothing to do with our career, and spend twice the time to learn what he knows.

hope this was helpful and enlightening.

As fitness professionals, our primary goal, and our biggest calling in life, is to bring better quality of life to individuals we work with.

HOWEVER - you can’t help people if they won’t hire you to do so. Good trainers often lack the know-how on how to deliver the information that clients need BEFORE they get in a session. They have to understand the value that you can deliver, if they give you the chance. That’s the Bedros contribution.

We can’t help people if we can’t get them to see the value in what we do. So the more we sell, the more people we help. Pretty simple.

We’ve found great value in Bedros’ generosity with advice, information and expertise in MOTIVATING, ENCOURAGING and GIVING freely to trainers who are open minded enough to listen.

Ron
SWAT Fitness
http://www.swatfitness.com

A lot of great comments.

I have yet to meet Bedros personally, but he has taken time away from his day on several occasions to get on the phone and answer questions for me - and never asked for a dime!

Now, unless I’m completely missing something here, doesn’t Tom offer his bootcamp for profit??? Isn’t he also “peddling his service” for hire? If so, then what makes him any different from Bedros, Steve, Chris or the rest of us for that matter?

Don’t people get to discern if they want to participate in his classes, just like we get to discen if we want to participate in Bedros’ offerings???

THAT sounds like hypocricy to me… Do as I say, not as I do.

I don’t know about anyone else, but my 9-year old daughter likes to eat EVERY DAMN DAY and that means I have to make money as a trainer. I know that I’m a damn good trainer and my clients get results, but none of that matters if I can’t get those clients to work with me and THAT IS WHERE BEDROS, STEVE, CHRIS, and JOSH have made a difference for me. I live in a smaller community with two national franchises to compete for business and I DOMINATE the market because of the common sense ideas these guys have shared.

These guys are teaching trainers how to STAY IN BUSINESS… and maybe that is the real problem for Tom… competition.

It’s a lot easier to throw a brick at a house than to build one yourself.

Bedros,

don’t listen to this guy. your pt business course is amazing. i work at a fitness 19 in snellville, ga with my boss, ryan frith, who introduced me to all of your great knowledge of teh fitness world. before working at fitness 19 i had no experience in the fitness industry, and within the first month i sold $12,000 in pt packages because of your course. every month since then i’ve sold at minimum $15,000/ month even up to $30,000/ month. this guy is full of shit so don’t let it get to you.

Bedros, Aaron Anderson here. I want to say I think you’re a great motivator and have very useful information on fitness and marketing….Also I couldnt disagree with tom more about the whole write a “REAL BOOK” thing what the hell constitutes a real book.If you ever see a book on the new your times list you notice it says BEST SELLING book not best written book, so even the people writing so called REAL BOOKS write them to make money…Look I have over 8 years experience in the fitness industry I have a degree in exercise science,and ill tell you what I have learned more by being in the trenches training than I ever could in school…Lets make no mistake about it, money rules the world…With that said I dont care what you do or how passionate you are about your job, the end result is to make MONEY bottom line…Also true fitness knowledge is gained by experience and getting out there training not by listening to others speak about it, and you can’t denie that bedros hasent done that 10 times over..lastly I am sick and tired of people who have degrees and tons of certs criticizing others like bedros with no SO CALLED CREDENTIALS.. I think its funny we learn marketing from professors at school that are poor or dont have much money…hell Id rather learn from someone who has real world marketing experience who has proven time and time again that his stuff works.

Well, so far you haven’t scammed me out of any money, you have given me great ideas, and I feel like you are a real person out there who really wants to help those of us who are a bit “un-Bedros like” in the presentation and marketing of our fab services!I do have a college degree in Exercise Science, but I am not you. In fact, I wish I had a little Bedros doll to put on my shoulder (really, just kidding about the doll) to keep me tough, and focused on my profession and what I am really worth. I sometimes am frazzled with a two year old hanging from my leg, training for a marathon, and keeping my clients’ programs successful for them- then I see a Bedros email and I know all is well with the world. Please keep up the good work. Tom, we are all different. There is more than one door to every house. You probably go in the front. I think Bedros goes through the back or any window- same house, same people inside. Just different approaches. Xoxo, Sheila

Bedros,

For those who don’t know me, I am the best, the most well renown, and most respective person in my niche; bmx training. I am a 3 x Pro World Champion and have achieved the highest honor a coach can receive by the United States Olympic Committee for coaching 2 BMX athletes to medals at the 2008 Summer Olympic Gamesin Beijing; The Order of Ikkos Medals, yes plural, two of them! Enough about me, there is a point to this bragging.

Bedros has taught me that it doesn’t matter who the hell I am or what I have accomplished if know one knows what I can do for them. In other words, clients in need of help don’t give a crap about your 5 degrees, what college you went to, your personal achievements, etc. The client thinks, “that’s great, I am very proud of you, what the heck can you do for me?”

So first off, thanks for that Bedros. I have gotten over myself, something that this guy needs to do.

Like Bedros and to the man who wrote the comment, we’re all information facilitators. There is nothing wrong or against the law for monetizing our knowledge, our experiences, our accomplishments, our lessons and the hard lessons learned. Lord knows we have invested hundred to thousands of hours and we all feel we deserve a top ROI.

Next, if we don’t sell and market our services to the millions of unhealthy Americans, then our economy suffers, and the health care system continues to suffer, and Ronald McDonald & the Marlboro man keep riding away with all of our money.

The bottom line is this: On the grand scheme of things Bedros is helping thousands if not more people to live healthier lifestyles.

I understand where this guy is coming from, I too used to get butt hurt about other coaches who have not paid my exact dues trying to make money at what I do. I actually learned to embrace these people for bring attention to the performance preparation because these athletes will receive the message to what’s important, and they’re going to look into what I have to say because all of a sudden they’re interested in helping themselves.

Bedros and the team around him are going to end up helping more people in the long run. The message is clear, Bedros wants you to be happy and make money so you can better serve your clients. There is nothing wrong with making more money. Personally, I need money so I can spend more and quality time better serving my clients. How am I going to come in with a clear head to give my clients the best that they need from me if my bank account is under performing. Bedros teaches us that we don’t deserve to struggle.

Lastly, I think a lot of you hit the nail on the head, the marketing component is something that is not taught effectively in college, our industry, from ACE fitness, NASM, and the almighty NSCA, etc.

Bedros is fast tracking you the information, and for a couple hundred bucks, it’s a lot cheaper than going to college, spending 10-40K to learn traditional marketing over several semesters and then hit the real world and under perform in attracting the unhealthy in need of our services. The ladder is exponentially cost prohibitive.

Coach Greg Romero
http://www.bmxtraining.com
[email protected]

P.S. Bedros, thanks for meeting up with me and my Fiance’, spending over an hour and a half consulting our businesses for free! I was shocked and couldn’t believe that you did your homework getting to know us thoroughly. I was just going along for a ride with my finance’ who is a personal trainer, to support her meeting with you. I was shocked that you did homework on me and my niche and had a lot of positive constructive things to say.

I am enjoying the Art of Selling Fitness kit, and never thought it would transcend into my niche.

Hey, Bedros. I hope you’re not taking this one too much to heart. Your confidence in yourself got you where you are today, so don’t let this guy bring you down. I mean, come on, didn’t we go through this with Somagenesis back in February? This guy sounds just like he did. Tom is just a one-upper and by us all writing in to prove him wrong, we’re giving him the attention he craves.

One thing I have learned in my life is that people with college degrees hate those of us who are successful without one. The truth is that the people who really have their shit together and are really good at what they do don’t have to go to college.

To me, you are a mentor and inspiration. Someone who isn’t scared to share information with people. Someone who doesn’t hold back. I believe the things you tell me because I am an open minded person. Tom isn’t open minded.

I appreciate the fact that you took hours out of your day to meet with me, not to make money, but to HELP me.

Thank you, Bedros, for all that you do for us. Please keep up the good work and do not let this discourage you.

Nikol Klein
http://www.nikolklein.com

If poverty in all it’s forms is a stumbling block to contribution and envy and jealousy are stumbling blocks to the flow of wealth, rejoice in the prosperity of others.

Your knowledge, training and degrees are not your greatest gifts to your clients. There will be countless others who can compete with that and who have more than you do. Your greatest gift can never be outdone. It is the gift of yourself and what only you can offer through your unique experience and who you are. No one can ever compete with that. The rest is affirmation for yourself and others that you are worthy of listening to but has no true value in of itself even if our egos would like to believe otherwise.

Thanks to guys like Bedros, Steve, Chris, Labedie, etc. I am able to do what I love and make a living doing so.

As passionate as I am about fitness and nutrition, passion alone will not allow me to practice, especially if I’m broke and forced to work else where.

Tom, it’s guys like you that view the world through the microscope and see opportunity as a scam or what not.

Hey Bedros has tough me to sell bigger packages, guess what my clients are way better off seeing me 3x/week for the next year then they would be 2x/week for 4 months. Who’s benefiting from this, everybody!

Wow! what a jerk. you have helped me in many ways and you have taken the guess work out of it all, thank you for all your hard work that you have done as it has truly helped me in so many ways! i love you Bedros!

BEDROS AND STEVE’S HUMOR ALONE IS WORTH THE COST OF ANYTHING THAT THEY SELL.

TOM, THAT’S THE GREAT THING ABOUT CAPITALISM. IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT, DON’T BUY IT.

APPARENTLY, HARVARD IS THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN LEARN ANY MARKETING LESSONS AND, GOD FORBID, BEDROS USE THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE WEB TO SELL SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO BEING SUBJECT TO PAPER PUBLISHING FORCES.

I’LL BE AT THE FITNESS INFO SUMMIT WORKING ON ANOTHER EBOOK TO SELL. I’VE GOT MY OVER TEN YEARS EXPERIENCE WRITTEN DOWN FOR PEOPLE TO PURCHASE CHEAPLY. I’LL FIGURE ONE LESS PURCHASE OUT OF MY PROJECTIONS FOR TOM.

CHRIS LUTZ-MASTER TRAINER
http://WWW.SPARTATRAINING.COM

Wow…

Tom, you mention Tony Robbins is a hypocrite?… Is Donald Trump not also a Hypocrite.. the man has been Bankrupt and yet he preaches How we can make Millions in Real Estate..

Is not every personal trainer a Hypocrite if they were to ever touch a Burger or Beer or an Ice Cream?

Oh that’s right… we are all human

(By the way I’m trying to work on this.. I just despise any being that shows any sign of flaw)

Check this out…

The world needs Entrepreneurs

The World needs those who have acquired MBAs, PHDs, Masters and so forth

These people then become part of the system that makes the world function the way it does… can you imagine our lives without the people that spend 30 grand on a Degree to then go on and work 80 hours a week…(and struggling to create a comfortable life for themselves and their families)

There really is no right or wrong here… Tom has his beliefs and values as does Bedros as do we all

What we all need to remember and do is have the flexibility to accept that simple fact.

Who are we to tell someone else that their beliefs are wrong or that their values are skewed?

Note to everyone: Avoid letting your personal experiences, bias, beliefs and values get in the way of learning and growth. Whether that learning is good or bad, right or wrong is totally dependent on you and your perceptions.

Having spent time with Bedros and his lovely family in person in his home I can say this…

Bedros has come from a place that almost all Personal Trainers come from.

A place where we bust our ass and truly struggle to make ends meet because we don’t know any better. We become part of the system because that’s what we think we need to do. To gain credibility we should go out and get 23 certifications and then maybe… just maybe we are allowed to go out into the big world and start our own business… heaven forbid if we have not secured these 23 certifications…

Bedros understands the pains the frustrations and the inconsistencies that are rife in the Fitness Industry… he has been through the shit as many of us have and has climbed himself out of it by being smart…by learning… by constantly growing and wanting to provide the absolute best for his family

The average Personal Trainer makes 27,000 a year

How the hell do you think a Personal Trainer can support a family based on that average wage? You can’t even support yourself…

Bedros has been at the absolute forefront… right in the trenches and has elevated himself to a place where he helps thousands of other trainers with the growth of their business… a place where his family does not have to struggle to make ends meet… and a place where life is a whole lot rosier than what it used to be (ie Sleeping in a Car living off Tuna and Diet Coke shakes)

Now.. this is just me… but I’m going to pay attention to the guy who has been in the trenches (Real Life Experience) without a College Degree and is living a wonderful life as opposed to the guy who has an MBA, a Masters and a PHD yet is unhappy in his/her job and earning just enough to keep his family afloat.

Bedros, I am truly honored to have spent time with you and your family and for your ongoing support whether it be with regard to my business or my life. I am truly grateful to call you a friend and look forward to spending much more time with you guys in the future.

Cheers

AT

I think Bedros provides great marketing advice and he’s never really billed any event or program that he sells as anything but marketing stuff. Although he’s an expert in the fitness field as well, his passion is to help us get our businesses off the ground. He’s done that for me, and for that, Bedros, I’m so grateful. I think this blog is proof enough that ‘Tom’ is in the minority and you have the support of many! Thanks Bedros, keep it coming!

Money follows value.

You cannot cheat people and stay in business for long.

You’ve been in business a long time.

What’s the question?

Bedros

First of all here is my back ground, I have been in the fitness industry for over 30 yrs. My wife and I have competed in natural Bodybuilding well into or late 40′s and early 50′s. I have set up programs for every sport and age group and did rehab for insurance companies for their workman comp programs. I have been an owner of a powerhouse gym, my family and I built from the ground up, I’m still learning somthing new every day. I have not gone to collage and I don’t have all those degrees, everything I have learned was hands on and from people like you (Bedros). Your programs is by far the best I have seen. The emails you send us to update us on new idea’s and what other trainers are doing that work for them, as always has been good info. I’m 57 now and just purchased your software. Tom word of advise,before you make comments like you did you should always do your reserch first. If some of my spelling is off its because I didn’t go to collage.

Bill Mabry
[email protected]
http://www.newbodybybill.com

Like it has been said many times before, “opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one.”

The guy is entitled to his opinion, even if his attitude and delivery is completely toxic!

Bottom line, the Toms of the world are out there for all of us, but the good news is YOU have already written on how to deal with this type of person right here:

http://ptpower.com/2009/03/26/how-to-deal-with-crabs-and-hater-and-vampires/

Thanks,
Monty

There is no truer test of a products value than the free market. The free market cuts through all the pretentions bull@#$% of guys like Tom.

Rick

Bedros, I think this guy is way off. First off you offer a ludicrous amount of information for free. If people like that information they can pay for more (group coaching seminars, etc.). You are also not marketing yourself as the go to guy for fitness info (such as ACSM etc.), you are offering marketing information for people who want to know how to get clients for bootcamps and training (something you have experience in). I appreciate the information I have gotten from your posts and emails. I use your newsletter product because it works. I use other sources for my fitness information (exercise toolbox). I disagree with his point “if you do it right, the money will be there, without having to pay you or anyone coaching fees, DVD/s, etc…seminar fees”.
Being a good trainer is part of the equation, if you have a shit product you will go broke, but if you have a great product and no on e knows about it you will go broke just as well. I feel more trainers do not make it in the second scenario because they do not know how to market themselves, something you offer lots of information on (both for free and some at a cost). Thanks for all the info and keep it coming, if this guy does not like it he should simply not read your blog or email newsletter. CB

How many people graduate from an Ivy league school only to never use anything they learned except to brag about their education and spend the rest of their life paying off the loan……………It is those who understand that massive action gets results that make it in life perserverence, determination and sheer will!!! You guys are simplifying the message and turning it out to trainers kudos!!!

Rebecca

Bedros,

As a loyal customer of yours since 2004 when you first came out with Hitech Trainer, I can confidently say that you are NOT a scammer. Your software, information products, live events, coaching programs and this blog all bring valuable, applicable information that I have used.

Anyone who has had personal contact with you, has met you or spoken with you on the phone will attest that you are genuine, honest, kind and that you have your customer’s best interest in mind. All the comments on this post prove it.

You offer 100% money back guarantees on everything you sell, you over deliver, and you often give of your time and energy to customers at no cost.

It is clear that Tom doesn’t really know you at all, and it is unfortunate that he has chosen to write you off as a fraud, since nothing could be farther from the truth.

Hopefully Tom will continue to read your blog and see for himself that you are the real deal, and that your information could help improve his fitness business.

Thank you for directing your passion toward fitness professionals, you really do help us in more ways that you think. Any industry would be lucky to have a brilliant mind like yours, so thanks for sticking with us fitness pros.

Bill Gates has been quoted as saying something to the extent that he “learned the most from his unhappiest customers.” So, whether this man was actually a customer or not, if there is something to be gained or learned from this post, then try to extract that lesson. To that end I think your opinion of what he has to say about what you are doing is far more important than any of ours.

Now, with that being said, I actually went to Harvard myself, and I also have an MBA & studied with Professor Porter, who is a very smart and great guy. And I value, with gratitude, what my education has given me, it was worth the very expensive price I paid for it But the information I have gotten from you and Steve and Chris has helped me as a new entrepreneur to get cutomers TODAY at very low cost. You and Michael Porter serve different markets. What it takes for a fortune 500 company to succeed and what it takes for a small (very small in my case entreprenuer to succeed are different strategies. I’ve learned a lot from you guys & it’s helped me get my business off the ground. In a few years when it’s larger the stuff I learned in business school will probably come in handy too.

Whether you are “all about money now” is something only you know the answer to. But my opinion is that in the past month or two (which is how long I have been tuned in to you guys) I have been able to get clients with the tactics you have taught me and for that I am grateful. So thanks & I look forward to experiencing my first seminar with you guys in October

I believe negativity is like cancer.

I also believe if a person has a problem with another person, they should talk to that person straight, and not e-mail.

In these days and times we need to work all of our problems out.

If Tom says he is good as he is, and Bedros is awesome like everyone knows, then they could possible help one another and create positive energy.

Positive energy in the world is what we need.

I think Tom should reach out to Bedros and Bedros Reach out to Tom.

A heart to heart can turn into something GREAT!!! without hate.

BEDROS PLEASE READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know what Bedros, I will put this in the simplest/shortest way possible, hopefully. I work at a gym, I don’t make a six figure income ”yet”, I don’t own my own house, car or have a large savings account… I work hard for my money and I like spending it, but hate wasting it. I have been reading EVERY blog you put out, seen every video, read every email and checked out every offer. I have used as much of the info you put out as possible to further my personal training business and have made ”by now” a few hundred dollars with what I learned. I sometimes check sites of other online trainers selling all types of REAL get rich scams that you know you will purchase for a pretty penny and end up seeing that its not what you wanted or even what they advertised. And when you try to get a refund and take advantage of their 60 days satisfaction guarantee, you find out that getting refunded isn’t as easy as they stated it would be. And do you know why? Its because most of these people/real scammers don’t have working businesses like yours making them millions $$$ a year. They don’t have a family they support and show in pictures, video blogs and such. They don’t have their REAL full names posted in every one of their emails, post, etc… And really what kind of name is Bedros Keuilian anyways lol ”joking”no offense, if you where to give a fake name, you would choose a name like ”Max Power”, but you don’t, you use your real full name. In your emails, you talk about your family, friends, your vacations, your overall life, all validating you are a real person and family man. You give out tones of free stuff that other people/scammers would copy and sell on their websites for a pretty penny. You offer REAL no hassle money-back guarantees, you give out your ”direct” work phone number, work address, work email, etc… Other online offers will never give out their work phone numbers or addresses… Because, the don’t really want to refund you, they are not real honest working business owning people like you. They are people who went though their whole life cheating people out of their hard earned money. They are people who don’t have legit running businesses, most of them are actually scammers who work on a computer in the basement of their parents house! Funny, but often true… They are people who don’t give seminars, actually attend to all of them like you do and shake the hands of people who you haven’t even meet in real life.

Bedros, you are original, I love you, wish you the best for you and your family and I wish you all the success in the world! People like Tom Schneider, are not like us… Having learned so much about you Bedros, I know you had a hard life, spent time sleeping in your car, working hard, paying for school etc… People like Tom Schneider, are very angry people, they get pissed off when the underdog leaps over them. They hate it when someone with no PHD, makes a seven figure income. They hate it when they had to study 10 years in school(to get their PHD), which their parents probably paid for, not to mention paid for their car, clothes, food, etc… If he paid for all that himself, than God bless him, because with school, he would be left with a debt of minimum 150,000$, which would explain why he is so angry at you, haha. He tried to hide the fact that he was just jealous, because he wanted to sound better than you… And if he is reading this right now, he must be steaming! Because if he wasn’t just jealous, he wouldn’t have taken the time to type you a supper long ass blog post, which he somehow had time to do with his PHD schedule…

In final words, there are a lot of Tom Schneider’s in the world, people who are pissed off know it alls, who are just jealous of your hard earned success and instead of admiring it, respecting it, absorbing it, learning from it and using it, like we do… They bash it, undervalue it and call you and your business partners/friends scammers…

So how about we give baby Tom Schneider a Pacifier, to stop that crying of his and hopefully to finally shut him up!

Hope you liked my post!! Love you Bedros!!

By the way, it would be cool if you were to throw my way two tickets to the next BFS 10, haha. Just asking!

I meant FBS 10! oups

I have worked with and managed many trainers over the years and in my experience people who have spent years in organized education typically speak the part but don’t act it. With an industry as personal as ours living and experiencing the lifestyle we teach is very important and those who only read about it cannot relate to clients as well. True videos and seminars are not absolutely do or die with your personal success but they help build confidence.

Hey Bedros, it sounds like Tom has a lot of pride wrapped up in his education and experience and is part of that group that still hangs on to the feeling that becoming wealthy is some how not in the interests of service.

I think perhaps he’s just not your target market. Academia is not the commercial fitness world. Yes, it would be nice if all those who wished to just “train them and the money will come” could make a good living that way. I’m willing to bet that Tom does a lot of what you teach, Bedros, and just doesn’t want to admit it.

Keep doing what you’re doing, Bedros. We’ll buy the products and services that are right for us, and read about the rest. Thank you for all your advice and leadership. Keep it up. Tom can go back to college and feel good about himself for doing so.

Whatever…at least you posted it…Tom’s right…Steve Hochman only puts up posts that stroke his…ego…never a bad word about any of the posts he puts up…go figure

Keep doing what you do…

DR

Hahaha…..a CULT? Really tho?…someone (a hater) actually said this in a post….now THAT was fuuuuuuny…Bedros:”you are getting sleepier, sleepier, ah yes sleepier….now buy my products!” LOL! Bedros, dude,dog,dude…you are a little pitchy sometimes but I think you’ll be in the finals. Keep up the good work (enter American Idol music here). LOL!

EASY EXPLANATION:

If you’ve ever studied psychology it’s easy to see that Tom is just playing the role of the victim in his fight against trainers trying to make more money.

MONEY = EVIL

His has been programmed to believe that money = evil (his quote from the Bible), so of course anything that promotes money is bad/evil.

He also displays a serious “fear of success” believing that if he ever started making more money outside of his comfort zone he would feel that he has sold out. This allows him to remain satisfied with where he is and makes him uncomfortable around any talk of greater success dealing with the “M” word.

He probably throws around mottos like “I may not make that much money, but at least I’m honest…”

Translation: “Rich people (trainers) are evil and dishonest…”

Never mind the fact that it’s the people who make the most money who donate the most to charities.

Tom, what’s the difference between someone who studies, reads, and researches for hours a day versus someone who goes back to school and gets a degree? A piece of paper…?

But obviously, Tom is more concerned with the prestige and lights of that piece of paper and with magazines.

Lastly, I’ve been published in dozens of magazines, books, blah, blah blah, and I’ve never understood how people like Tom actually take the time out of their day to spew uneducated, fear-based thoughts onto blogs and forums for the world to read? It only makes them look bad, creates a cycle of negativity, and sets them up for a serious Karma backlash.

Tom, I wish you the best in life and I hope that you actually take a look at what inside YOU made you write these hatefull comments on Bedros blog? After all, what you resent and have little tolerance for in life is usually a reflection of something you don’t like or are struggling with yourself…

-Steve

Wow, sensing a little bit of jealousy?

You would think he would be thankful for all the FREE information you provide. If he thinks you are just trying to take peoples money he must not follow you AT ALL.

Adam Toohey, you hit that nail right on the head. Here is a guy who spent countless thousands of dollars on a degree and probly hasnt even made as much as he has spent on the damn thing.

Now don’t get me wrong, I understand and appreciate the fact that every one is entitled to an opinion, but c’mon, coming from college AND the army, at least have a logical opinion.

I cant even begin to explain the major improvements my business has seen from just the FREE information on Bedros’ blog. This guy is definitly not out to take any bodys money and you are calling his products “Get Rich Quick Schemes”? Are you out of your freakin mind?

ALL of his advice and information offered is TRIED and PROVEN systems and I can vouge for that. I cant think of one peice of information I have got off your blof or that I have purchased from you, That has not paid for its self PLENTY of times over again.

This guy is obviously jealous of your success and doesnt truly know who you are. I am also a business major and I have to tell you Bedros that you have changed my life.

As always, with success comes HATERS, and you have found yourself one but I will guarantee this guy is at home reading your information and taking notes. He would be a complete DUMBASS if he wasn’t.

Again, this guy is obviously jealous and doesnt even deserve all of the attention he is getting right now, but on a side not, Bedros, You are F*cking amazing and this guy is a F*cking idiot.

You deserve every bit of success you have achieved and there is definitly a reason he is not seeing the success you are

Thank you again for EVERYTHING that you do. You are like my Jesus Christ when it comes to my business and you have changed my life in many ways.

Keep up the Phenomenal job you are doing and I wish you the best.

William Colburn

Selling is your niche! Go with it. I have found that there are trainers that are good at selling but suck at training, and then there are trainers that suck at selling and marketing but are very technically sound. I don’t know if you are a good trainer, but you know how to sell. I am more of a technical trainer and I have found that your materials have helped me in those areas that I am not too good at.

DUDE!

Did he compare you to Tony Robbins??

I would frame that part and put it on your office wall like a trophy!

Hey Bedros

Well, Tom did call you the Tony Robbins of our business… I’d take that as a compliment. LoL.

You have undoubtedly accomplished WAY more than Tom did, or ever will. I don’t remember Tom teaching us great ways to run a business.

Godspeed Bedros, keep on trucking!

Well I absolutely love Tony Robbins,so take it as a compliment,I wouldnt waste any other of my energy on this unless it brings you something positive.If Tom was trying to be negative just turn him off,we here love what you have to offer us and are smart enough people to know what we need from you and what we dont….I love the programs and products I have used and they have helped me expand my buisness,other than that maybe Tom should share his knowledge with us…for free of course….LOL…NOw go have a fantastic day

Good day, I do not usually write in on blogs but since you asked for opinions here is mine. Tom has a right to express his own opinion(s) and Bedros I think it is very big of you to check in with your audience or followers to see how we feel about his comments.
I personally have 4 degrees and two @ the Master’s level. I am also certified with NASM. PT has always been my hobby which has led me to follow you now for about 5 years (I attended your summit last year)….You are extremely intelligent and if going to school is not for you so be it. It is not for everyone, so do not feel like you need to explain yourself. The important thing is that you continue to educate us on your experience and knowledge so we can run efficient business.
As an individual who has worked and continues to work as Marketing and Business Professional for prestigious giants, I have to admit that a lot of the stuff you send out is dead on. So you keep doing what you doing… I admire how you lay the foundation from a business aspect/ perspective (hands on). vs. single sessions that does not allow you to make a sufficient annual income with out worrying where your next payment will come from. Tom may be envious of the fact that you found some good formulas for a business with great potential to make lots of money when done correctly. Your business appears to be legit to me. When you love what you do, and do it well it is obvious you will persecuted….Hey look what happened to Jesus.

Keep your head and continue to do your think.

(Isaiah 54:17) No weapon formed against you shall prosper, And every tongue which rises against you in judgment You shall condemn.

Kind of selling out the Army by running a boot camp dude.

Anyway…haters never prosper.

PS: Hey Tom, are you from Washington? There’s a Thomas Schneider that teaches boot camp in Auburn, WA (I’m in Seattle)…just curious.

The guy has no idea,
If I did not find you on the net mate and use your ideas i would not be running a succesful biz.

Thanks mate keep up the awsome work,
I commend you on posting this guys note, it shows guts mate
cheers

Bedros, I think this all a matter of perspective. If you measure success by income, your way is better. If you measure success by education, Tom’s way is better. Personaly, since you can’t spend education, I like your way better.

Hey there, first of all I wanna say Bedros, Chris and Steve have helped my business grow by leaps and bounds… because I actually DO what there guys tell me to DO ( that’s the key)

Hell, their blogs alone pretty much doubled my business and they do that for free… yes, I said FREE

And as for the paid products:

Market Annihilator helps me get new clients from Google every single week… the program paid itself off within two weeks of joining

Fitness Business Summit… I got ideas from there that completely changed the way I do business and has made my life much easier

And a few years ago when I got The Art of Selling Fitness is when I learned all about “direct response” and was able to pull my business out of the rut it was in for years

Bedros, McCombs and Hochman know their stuff and saved me from owning a “failing” training business like most of the training businesses out there and helped me to grow to a nice six-figure income doing what I love

For that I am grateful

Jim
CPT

I’ll be honest, I don’t necessarily read all of your emails because I can’t stand the poor grammar and punctuation that is used. However, what I do read is often helpful despite those errors. I have not purchased any of your products because I do not feel that I need them.

As for Tom, I am not convinced that you were ever an Army Master Fitness Trainer, or even in the Army. Anybody who served as a rercruiter in the Army, or in the Army at all, would not speak with such disrespect. Nor would he or she say “dude” multiple times in a professional setting. One who was in the Army knows how to get his or her opinion across in a much more adult like manner, and you are very childish and immature.

Bedros, you should send Tom a ticket to your next FBS!!!!

Hi my name is Rob,
I have been in the fitness business for 20 years, I am a firm believer, that you have to be just as good at sales as you are at training. All your knowledge you have gained as a trainer at school, is worthless to you as well, as your prospects, if you can’t convey any of it. you must sell in this business first, the training part is the easy stuff. None of the cert schools or college degrees spend enough time on sales and marketing. you will find out very quickly in the real world, that you must sell your clientele your products.
Bedros is a marketing specialist that is your game keep playing it, we all need a hand up once in a while thank you Bedros for all you and your team does “remember poor salesmen have skinny kids”

yours in health and wellness
Rob Stephens
Make It “Personal” Fitnesss

Bedros, Tom’s post is the best advertisement that you’re a genuine guy and your stuff works- 125 comments and counting of people who have your back.

The very first thing you ever taught me from your readings on here is you need to get people to know, like and trust you before they spend a cent with you.

That to me is not scamming people.

that to me is helping people be successful so the money that they generate can benefit others.

If people spend money, the economy turns and everybody can prosper.

That’s the reason why Australia did not get caught up as much as America did in the recession.

Money isn’t evil it just magnifies what’s already there.

Bedros, I am not going to write a book like everyone else. I think Tom can be summed up in one word.. HATER! haha.. I believe in what you provide and will continue to buy your products. You are someone that I look to and say, if he can do it I can.. So far I have came a long way using your information on marketing. I could care less what school you went to or what letter are behind your name. F*** that. Thanks so much bud. STAY POSITIVE!

WOW
Well first of all, be flattered he had the time to sit there and type all that out. I know I have no spare times on my hands at the moment to be commenting on anyone elses success.

Second of all, as said earlier- we are here to get fitness marketing advice. We go elsewhere for the technical stuff LOL. Hes obviously jealous that he is not having this success, and wasnt smart enough to create these business ventures.

Your FREE blog posts and information is so helpful its not funny, so when you do charge anyone- everyone knows its going to be of a high quality.
Keep doing what you do and helping others share in your success!!!

Dani

Your events and your products are AWESOME Bedros! I know you’ll keep doing what you are doing because you are great at it and you help thousands of us have more fulfilling lives and fitness businesses. Anytime you have the kind of sustained success that you do, you are going to have close minded people hate on you like this…I know for a fact this probably happens regularly to all of you guys and it’s obvious you are above it. Keep up the Awesome work. See you at FIS!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahah, roflroflrofl, hehahahahaha haah aha ahaha …. Seriously? Learn marketing in… College? I’m curious how many marketing professors have actually made a million dollars in a year? Learning marketing in college sounds akin to learning football at the ballet studio.

Oh…and THANKS for everything that you do! You’ve helped me start living the life that I’ve dreamed of and I can’t thank you enough!

Bedros,

I’ve been a trainer for over 8 years now, and only recently have I really began to market myself as a contract trainer. All the fitness courses I’ve taken were awsome, I’ve studied stuff from athletic conditioning and pre/post natal fitness to post rehab work. I don’t log on and read your stuff for fitness, I do though read it for the kick a$$ ideas you present from the marketing side of the BUSINESS.

Thanks to you, Steve and Chris only now am I understanding how to market myself as a trainer, and how to make my training business different from the competition. Keep up the great work!!

Yours In Health,
Chris J.

Bedros,
This looks like the most responded to post in the history of this blog! I can see it really hits a cord with people and proves that you have a huge and loyal following.

You can count me and our business, UNICUS Fitness, as huge fans. After purchasing your stuff this year, we are on track to hit all-time revenue numbers in our 6 year history. The stuff you provide is worth every penny and I buy it free of my own will and accord. I don’t come to you or Steve or Chris for fitness knowledge. I come to you all for fitness marketing knowledge and I don’t think anyone (outside of Labadie, Rigsby, et al) knows more about that subject.

The one grain that strikes a cord with me that Tom scratchs out is that feeling of sometimes seeing a money scheme between you and Chris and Steve. If you are not in your group, you all speak in your emails like you are on the inside and everyone else is on the outside. Kind of “high schoolish”, but I don’t begrudge you all it. You have worked hard to build your businesses and the advantages that your businesses give you.

It sounds like Tom doesn’t like this advantage and is swinging away at you because of jealousy and his inability to develop his own advantage. He relies on his Army background, college background and his knowledge and relationship to marketing experts, but as you can see from everyones post, it doesn’t impress anyone enough to turn away from you and the knowledge and help you provide for the investments that we give you.

Keep up the great work and we will be keeping an eye on you from our headquarters in Chicago at The Fitness Lair…The World’s Most Exclusive Fitness Studio.

Frank Nunez
UNICUS Fitness
http://www.unicusfitness.com

all the comments above will let you kno about TOM the TIRD.
You didnt force anyone to pull out their credit cards and purchase your products, and you offer risk reversals on all of them, so if we dont like it, we get money back.. PEOPLE MUST NOT KNOW, LIKE, AND TRUST TOM THE TIRD

Well, I have a college degree from UCLA. When I was there, I didn’t see many majors that made you an expert in a field and also an expert on how to make a great living from it (at least outside of the business school). Well, I’ve followed my passion for fitness in many forms and I do make my living from it. After a lot of research it became clear that Bedros is a marketing expert that has taken his background in fitness and his passion for cutting edge marketing and has produced products that are usable to those of us in the fitness industry who simply do not have the time, passion or interest to study something both Bedros and Tom are into. Bedros’ stuff is no fluff, usable information. I understand why Tom respects established education above all. If he has read “What would Google Do?” by Jeff Jarvis, he might better understand where Bedros is coming from and what the future may hold. Bedros is completely transparent. He doesn’t hide. He personally and patiently answered an irate email of mine a few months ago and even though I still don’t see eye to eye with him on that issue, I still feel like a respected member of the tribe. When you are on the internet you are 100% accountable and there are just too many of us that have benefited and are greatful for Bedros’ passion to help improve the success of the niche market fitness industry.

Wow. I think he’s totally missed the point that you’re not selling fitness resources. If I wanted to read about the latest scientific advances, or training methods, I’d go elsewhere.

I’m quite lucky in that I’ve got a decent background in PR and marketing as well as PT/weight loss, but that doesn’t make your tips any less useful. In fact, you’ve talked about things I’d never have even thought of. I must admit that I don’t pay for your tips and at this point only read the free ones, but I’d just like to say: keep it up, please!

Bedros, your products are the real deal. They are for people that want to figure out a way to take the EDUCATION that they paid so much for and turn it into the lifestyle that they desire. What that might be is different for everyone. The cool thing is, you’ve figured that out and you were nice enough, and smart enough to pass that information along to us which allowed you to make your dreams come true.

Some people want to make six figures, some people want to just pay their bills and have enough money for a vacation once or twice a year. What your products do is give people the opportunity to make their dreams come true and if you don’t believe that MONEY is involved in making that happen then you are very naive.

To call your products a SCAM is just ridiculous. Anything that this guy says, after saying that, holds no water. Your products are so affordable and full of so much information WITH a 100% money back guarantee. Clearly his degrees didn’t teach him the definition of the word SCAM.

Why he felt the need to write this post…only he knows the real reason. It was a silly post that comes from a guy that has no idea what he’s talking about as far as your work and products are concerned.

I want to thank you Bedros for myself and all of the thousands of other trainers that you have inspired and helped to reach the levels of success that we have all reached. You make it clear in everything you sell us (and give us for free, which is a TON) that our success is only equal to the work we put into it. None of it is a get rich quick scheme, although ALL of it has the potential to get us rich quick! And never forget this, WHEN A PERSONAL TRAINER IS MAKING A LOT OF MONEY (especially using the tactics that Bedros teaches) IT IS A DIRECT REFLECTION OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HE/SHE IS HELPING AND THE NUMBER OF LIVES HE/SHE IS CHANGING.

Dear Mr. Tom S.

First of all you are entitled to your opinion and and i respect your right to say how you feel. I am sure we can all learn something from you whether you learned it in college or while serving.

But I don’t really think you understand Marketing very much.

Let me explain if i may.

You see to me Bedros and his boys obviously studied other great marketers and yeah i agree with you that they are saying the same thing that their mentors have said before and it has been repackaged. But I think they actually are doing a good job of getting and keeping our attention by practicing what they learned from other greats.

I’d rather they teach me a thing or two about marketing then to hear it from some other guys that have put me to sleep. These guys aint boring (excuse me I mean are not boring)

Now I’m not sure if you believe in Christ but I bring it up only because I thing it is relevant.

But his disciples did not go to school but were taught also by JC and they went aroung spreading (marketing) the word. Should followers of Christ disregard their teachings also because they are not accredited and because they never wrote scholarly articles?

And I think the only reason Tony Robbins divorced his wife was because he realized that he wasn’t compatible with her and he wasn’t in love with her anymore although he did possibly still love her.

I mean he does have some useful info we can learn from about relationships that can help improve a relationship if that is what we want. You either want to be with the person you are with or you dont regardless of whether you argue and get into fights. You could listne to Tony all day, but if you really dont want to b with the person you are with, then not even the pope can make it happen.

Anyway your opinion is yours and mine is mine. But the point is that Bedros has marketed himself nicely and has develeped some raving fans that would probably even want to hear what he would have to say about how to knitt if he wanted to. I mean thats what marketing is.

Let me ask you a question. Is Bedros lying about what he says on how to market? If you dont take action on what he and others say, nothing is going to happen period.

I cant believe i wasted my time on this. Oh well, it was alil fun.

If I didn’t believe in you, Steve, or Chris.. I would not buy your products, read every blog, watched every video and saved every penny I had to attend this past fitness summitt.

It is so apparent that tom (I deliberately not capitalized his name) has a syndrome, it’s called, “The Small Penis Complex”. he has to cut people down to make himself look better - a text book bully.

I believe in you, Steve, Chris… and keep doing what you’re doing brothers! YOU ROCK!!!

Vinnie said a lot above….

I will agree with Tom. Intention is key Bedros. What is your intention? I believe you saw the NEED in our industry to HELP TRAINERS focus on an important part lacking in many trainers’ business - marketing systems. I know you must have read The E-Myth and realized too manhy of us are technicians (really good at getting clients results) but not good at developing Predictable Biz Operating Systems.

Personally, I really dont think people purchase help (and that is what services like ours sell) because of the number of PhD, MBA and BA and BS’s people have. Though i could be full of BS myself….

In fact, most people dont even know how good of a trainer someone is - unless you piss them off. I had a client who is a lawyer who said “my clients dont know if i am a good lawyer or not” and i realized that it wasnt my skills that kept my client (sure he saw results - but he could have from a lot of others) It was because of my SYSTEMS [Marketing, Operations, HR etc) (separate from the exercise systems)] that GOT him and KEPT HIM. I go to my doctor because of her rapport not beacuse she was @ Harvard or MAYO….

That is what you sell Bedros. You sell the system to get the clients in the door. What is dishonorable about that?

I am pleased to see Tom use many MLM “tactics” in his own posts. He used a ton of “tie-downs”, a “porcupine-close” and lots of sales tactics i am sure didnt come from college. His College education didnt do anything for his debating skills as he refernced some big names like Trump, Buffet to prop up his arguments (isnt that called appealing to authority) and personally attacked Bedros not good at all.

From the people I know like Craig Ballantyne and Vince Del Monte who work with Bedros and the people they surround themselves with, I know you must have the right intention.

Keep helping us!

Alex Bishop MBA (Cand.) BKin, CSCS <—- these are here for you Tom.

This is for Mr Tom Shitter (Schneider)…Sir, although I sincerely appreciate your service in the military, I must say that you’re a bit confused about your national identity and loyalty in my humble opinion. You see things like free enterprise and the “American Dream” are things that I (and just about all of my family and friends in the military past and present) hold sacred. I am a tad bit baffled by the fact that you spent so much time defending this country but sound so much like a damn communist dumb ass…bottom line, it doesn’t matter how rich one gets if he makes others successful in the process…If a product costs a million but makes your money back in value then it’s a good transaction. What kind of idiot goes to business school and can’t figure that out…Where did you get your MBA from…Cuba?

Tom, how ever much you paid for your MBA, Bedros has just given you an outstanding lesson in marketing - for FREE! That’s why many fit pro’s listen to what he has to say … because Bedros is grounded in what actually works.

Hey Tom…Thanks….nothing like a little controversy to draw attention. You just scored a HUGE piece of marketing for our man, Bedros!!!! I guess all of your degrees and training didn’t never went over that little tidbit of info. You just caused Bedros to get more exposure. Hahahahaha. I love it!!!!

Constructive criticism doesn’t have to be in the form of an insult, which is all that was exhibited in Tom’s post. There was not a single suggestion for improvement in his comment. This type of attack could only be posted by someone who’s got issues with jealousy or narcisicm (sp). If this guy was a true professional he’d contact Bedros privately instead of posting to his blog for all to see.

Also, what good came of it? Is good ol’ Bedros gonna give up his day job? I doubt it. The only thing positive that came out of this is that Bedros was able to fully understand that hundreds (and probably thousands who did not respond to this guys comments) of fitness professionals across the world support and respect every word that leaves his mouth.

And to be honest, Tom, I’ve only purchased 1 product from Bedros - his Close Clients DVD for somewhere in the $30 range… and I’ve DOUBLED my yearly income working half the time (and spending the rest of my time with my family!) I had as the General Manager of a health club in my home town (and I haven’t tricked anyone into spending money with me!). So I don’t think it’s fair to criticize someone who has helped so many people achieve success in an industry that doesn’t typically compensate its professionals as well as they deserve.

Just my two cents!

Keep it up Bedros, we all greatly appreciate you and support everything you do.

Dan

We were exactly what he was talking about, My Business partner has a Doctrate and we were just scraping by…then we met Bedros

He has MORE than Doubled our Income in about 90 days!!

Who cares what this dope says…the stuff BEDROS teaches won’t be found in college..remember they teach you to work for someone else.

Hey Bedros, Keep up the good work comments like toms let’s you know you are doing the right thing. Don’t let that move you off of your road to sucess.I believe in info products and making more money in my fitness business. I think it is great you are teaching trainers how to have freedom in their business. Pray for your haters and watch god continue to bless you. Don’t say anything negative that will give to much credit.
God Bless
Brian

I see the value in what you do! I thank you for the time, energy and passion that you put into your work. I have grown personally and professionally having known you and I look forward to more coaching and mentoring. See you at the next mastermind. Vegas baby!

I have been a reader of your blog for some time now. This is my first comment. First of all, I stopped reading the outcry of support about half way down the page … man you have quite a few supporters, which speaks volumes in and of itself. As for your lack of a degree or formal education, who cares. I know many people who have degrees yet still struggle financially. Formal education really only teaches us to be good employees. Very little of what we learn in school (college included) translates into the real world. I am saying this after having earned my Master’s degree. By the way, I have taught in the University setting. My academic background laid a good groundwork, but I learned nothing that I couldn’t have learned from the library (wait, isn’t that what Tom said about your information?). My philosophy in life, including fitness, finances, education -EVERYTHING- is that variety is key (okay everything except my marriage, monogamy is key there!). Bedros, your information is extremely powerful (the same goes for Steve and Chris). Of course, it should be cross-referenced by multiple other sources. I’ve heard you reference many other sources besides Jay Abraham. That shows that he really takes this seriously. Didn’t you even go so far as to copy every page out of a library book that was out of print? I further believe that you have really put your time in. I started seeing and hearing about you several years ago. You’re not some fly-by-night scam artist. By the way, how many 6 figure earners have you created in your career? How many of Tom’s “reputable” sources can match that? Bedros, you’re the “real deal” and as far as I’m concerned, your have a Ph.D. in results!

WOW loads of good stuff here.

Tom, do you live in the real world or some kind of academia nirvana?

Is an Army Master Fitness Trainer a degree qualification? If not shouldn’t you go back to university and get a real qualification? Because from what you’re saying you should only teach people if YOU have studied at Uni for it.

No offence to any one who hasn’t been to Uni…I know that what they teach at Uni is not applicable in the real world half the time and some of the vocational courses are very good.

Another point is that research usually only back up what ‘practical coaches’ have been doing for decades.

I mean the way we understand muscles to contract is only a THEORY …. who knows what we’ll find out when we can actually see working muscle at a microscopic level.

What Uni does do is teach you to critically analyse everything and then make your judgements from there.

Tom if you are so good at marketing and think everyone should be taught it for free, why don’t you start up your own site and help people instead of having a pop here!!!

Alex

Oh, and just for Tom

BSc Hons (Loughborough University…the top fitness Uni in the UK)
PG Dip (Currently writing my thesis on hamstring rehabilitation to complete my masters)
NSCA CSCS (yes I’ve got a US qualification too!)
….oh and a few others to boring to write!!!

I don’t even have time to read all the comments BUT Tom you are a real JACK ASS. Obviously you have issues that is beyound the scope of this blog. YOU NEED HELP DUDE. There are some good drugs these days to control your condition. GET HELP BROTHER

Hey Tom,

Quit being such a stiff! I have a background very similar to yours minus the MBA. I have read most of what I need to read at a “college” level to help my clients get into great shape. Bedros adds another dimension that a college just dilutes with irrevelant classes. Time to step off the campus into the real world.

I came over from the UK to 2 seperate events, 7 figure studio and business summit, total investment £3000 or about $5000.

Business has gone from £55,000 turn over to £84,000 ($138,500) which may not seem like a big jump, but when you consider I was working every hour under the sun and I now do 4 or 5 hours it’s a massive difference! More money less work it’s what we all want.

This has allowed me to work on an online product which is is selling one per week at about $70. It almost’s ready to be launched properly which means that I’ll earn money while I sleep…

Anyone who says they don’t want the info to earn money while they sleep is either lying or just plain mad!

All info was learn’t in your seminars and emails!

Keep it up Bedros,

Keith

Number 1 may be the most important I think the list is perfect for beginning trainers , and a lot of it is important to even the veteran trainer.

Tom,

I appreciate your kind words, thank you. I humbly ask you to look with in yourself and discover why you associate making money as a negative result. My belief is simple, the money you make is a direct indication of how well you serve. Although that last comment could be taken out of context, let me explain.
Self-Defense, fitness, etc… are just vehicles for coaches to empower other people. My business partner for instance is a Fitness Specialist, he has researched and invested so much time, energy and money on how the body works and how to get maximum results for our clients. He is now able to use that AMAZING knowledge because of the clients he has received due to ideas that we learned about on ptpower.com . As coaches, we are committed to serving as many people as we can with quality, professionalism, effectiveness and ethics. The information that Bedros provides is just that, information. It is proven, effective & ethical. And it is a vehicle for coaches like me and my team to use to connect to many people and assist them in living the life that they deserve.
Money just IS! It is neither good or bad. It is a tool. With the same $20 Bill, I could feed a hungry child or buy drugs. The choice is ALWAYS up to the individual.
Tom, I commend you because you have PASSION for what is right in the world of fitness. My humble suggestion is that you focus on all of the good that Bedros is doing. His energy is good, his intent is good and he provides a great system for those you want to pursue their passion.

We are all meant for SUCCESS, ABUNDANT SUCCESS! Tom, I thank you for you commitment to the industry and I wish you SUCCESS in everything that you do.

Live ABUNDANTLY,

William Reuter
Elite Self-Protection, Inc.
http://www.eliteself-protection.com

Hey Bedros.
Just because you love what you do, are helping people and are good at it, why should making money be an issue? Anything I’ve seen you write or post has been very useful and high-quality.
I’ve been in the fitness industry for over 20 years and our businesses did $2million last year, but I know I could still learn a ton from you in terms of leveraging all the info we provide to the industry and the general consumer. You fully understand the science of getting someone to buy something that you know will help them - we could all use a little help in that area!

Since we’re on the subject of you leading a whole lot of fitness pros, I will add my two cents in…The only suggestion I would make is to consider strongly who you associate yourself with - because it 100% represents and reflects YOU as well. I find the FitBody Bootcamp guy quite offensive. The fact that his first words to a room full of fitness pros is “How the f*** are you?” Wow! I watched all the video clips that you sent out on behalf of him and I was not impressed - he seems to lack organization in both his presenting skills and business operations, every other word was a swear word and from my perspective he was just a lot of fluff and not a lot of content. Even if you are a smart guy and have a good business model, language like that - especially while presenting to a room of people you don’t know - well, it just takes you down a few notches. I know most people swear a little now and then but to just have that be part of your normal conversation style?! I can’t imagine my trainers talking like that at least not to our clients or any presenter that we would ever hire to represent our company. Think of the worlds’ best leaders - consider whether President Obama would ever speak like that. There is a certain level of professionalism that we need to uphold and he is not it. And you have associated yourself with him, so naturally, it causes me to question you as well.
So anyway, take it or leave it, just something to consider.
Keep the great info coming!
Sherri McMillan

I gonna keep this short.

How well is Tom doing in the field?

Does he make 6 figures?

Does he even make ends meet?

I go the the fitness conferences as well.

They do NOT teach how to do business.

Keep up the good work Bedros.

I have purchased many of your products.

First off, I’m massively impressed by how many people have got Bedros’s back and are believers in his mission! What a TRIBE!

My name is Alex McMillan and I am the owner of Northwest Personal Training and Fitness Education a multimillion dollar training business and CEC provider for NASM, ACE, NSCA, ACSM, AFFA, and CFP. I have employed trainers that have just about every physiology related degree, certification and between I and my team have won many fitness industry awards including the IDEA International Program Director of the Year, Personal Trainer of the Year, Fasting Growing Business in SW Washington, Better Business Bureau Large Business of the Year (first time a fitness studio has won this). I sit on prominent boards and committees for our beloved fitness industry as well as outside our industry. I could go on and on, but what is my point?

I too like Tom wondered about Bedros’s credibility, after all who wouldn’t, considering all of his “success in a short time promises” and not only that, but doing it in an extremely bold way? I was drawn to Bedros’s blog after I got sucked in through purchasing his Hi-Tech Trainer program, which I had know idea who he was when I subscribed. I thought to myself “is this guy, his crew and all this “hype” for real?”

So what does any good open minded scientist do, research of course! Instead of slandering the man, blowing him off as hype and forming an opinion without investigation and trial, I decided to check him out through asking around to find out if anybody knew this guy. I then signed up for his Fitness Business Summit 2009 and flew to Anaheim on the hope that what I’d find was everything he promised. See, I choose to believe in people until the prove otherwise and even then I have faith that they can be redeemed.

What I found in at Fitness Business Summit absolutely blew me away!

Not only was Bedros for real, but he knew how to take information that you’d typically try and find in marketing, psychology/motivational and business books or maybe get out of the usually stuffy and boring business lecture given by most MBA’s. Bedros, in the most impressive way, was able to deliver this information to trainers in a way that could be immediately absorbed and implemented for true business success.

I’ve been presenting and attending “real” fitness conferences and lectures for years and many of my friends and colleagues are physiology professors and PhD’s at world leading universities and research centers or work for professional sports teams and medical centers and they would not for one second tell you that their degrees qualify them to teach a trainer how to market, communicate and or attract new business or retain it for that matter.

So, Alex has got it all figured out right? Their’s no way Alex McMillan could possibly benefit from attending one of Bedros’s events because Alex has already won the big awards and has already attended the real fitness conferences with PHD’s, MBA’s, ACSM’s and all the other alphabet soup people, and besides Bedros does not have a degree or any letters behind his name, right?

WRONG!!!

Not only is this very wrong, but my contracted residual income is up by over $4000 per month as direct result of attending doing the research and attending Bedros’s event. Not only that, but check this out, I signed two contracts using the non-PHD’d, MBA’d “INFORMATION” I learned at FBS09. These contracts are not only going to help thousands of people live a healthier and more vibrant life, but have already brought in $56,000 in paid revenue to my business in the last month and are still owing $50,500 due between the end of this month and the end of the year!

So what can I say? Nothing, except Thank you, thank you and THANK YOU Bedros for not believing they hype and thank you for not just selling hype! Thank you from all of the degreed and educated fitness professionals like me and my amazing staff and thank you for finding a starving crowd like our amazing fitness industry and serving it!

Our industry, college educated or not, is a better place to be because you exist!

I respect Tom and his achievements, but do encourage him to seek a mindset that “Seeks first to understand before trying to be understood.” (Stephen Covey PHD.) as that is what has allowed me to benefit from the gift Bedros has choosen to give.

Tom, please call me if you’d like to chat and share more thoughts. 360-574-7292 http://www.nwfitnesseducation.com

Alex McMillan

Soundz like someone is pissed because he is still paying too much for his fancy college education lol.

Wouldn’t sweat that. Having haters is the biggest sign that you’re officially successful.

II personally have changed from owning my job, to now looking at it as a business that makes me $$ even when Im on vacation. Thanks for your help with that.

Hi Bedros

I just got to know you a few days ago and have started receiving your emails. I would love to buy your products but dont have the money right now. I think you are doing a good work of educating people on marketing thier business. Since you are planning on a summit, challenge this guy and give him a free ticket to the summit so that he can come and see what you and your team do, meet you in person and get to know you all. It looks like he needs help with working on his attitude and perspective.

Wow! What can I say other than everything was taken completely out of context.

1.- Bedros’ focus is on business information for fitness professionals. He guides fitness professional to self sufficiency and prosperity. Never once did he pretend to present the latest findings on exercise science or biomechanics, and all his products are geared for the fitness professional looking to increase his business. I still fail to see the relevancy of attending fitness summits or getting a degree in exercise science. That’s like asking a dentist to perform a vasectomy.

2.- The essence of the get-rich-quick scheme is to get filthy rich without lifting a finger. One of Bedros’ main take-home messages is that “Nothing happens unless you take massive action and you are willing to take risks and make sacrifices”. There’s no “Trust me, just give me your money and I’ll make you rich overnight” element of the scheme. Instead, you’ll hear Bedros tell you “All this is useless if you fail to take massive action”. Again, I fail to see anything that resembles a get-rich-quick shenanigan.

3.- “Do it right and the money will be there?” Seriously? That statement is so egotistical and self-serving, I fail to see how we can relate to it. So is it implied that just because you happen to have a couple of letters after your name all the sudden you are mighty and powerful and everyone should INMEDIATELY know about you and flock to your hordes?

That is not how the real world works. Maybe through some ego-soothing pitches we have blinded ourselves to it, but fact is, if you really are concerned about helping more people, you have to be out there reaching out to them, and not just preaching to the little choir.

4.- I think you have drawn a lot of piss and vinegar, not by insulting Bedros (there is nothing constructive in your post) but by implying that those who benefit from his advice are cannon-fodder, soft-target for the scheme-makers looking for the suckers to buy their snake oil.

I do not know how many of Bedros’ clients/students you know, but I can tell you without a doubt that these people are without a doubt passionate about getting people in good health and thrive in the satisfaction of making a difference in somebody’s life. Only difference is these people not only know what they are capable of delivering, they are also humble enough to recognize they need help achieving self-sufficiency and a comfortable living. I have made many great friends through the FBS and I love sharing information and experiences with them. I have yet to meet one who’ll say “Nah! I’m just here for the money”

I hope you will one day have the objectivity to look back at this and realize that for whatever reason, you were too quick to put a misguided, harsh and undeserved label towards a man whose only flaw is to excel at what he does.

Take the good and bad comments dude, it’s only fair.

Peace!

Hi Bedros-
You did right by casting Tom’s words out the window. Let me tell you that you are amazing and what you offer in the fitness industry helps so many people. Unfortunately there are people out there that want to be negative and who like to criticize. It’s true school is not for everyone but that doesn’t mean you didn’t learn. I went to school and earned a B.S. in Kinesiology. It was one of the hardest things I have ever done but I did it. I gotta be honest. When I took your Fitness Business Summit I got so much out of it. I got more information in that event than I did in some of my classes at school. I have also been to other events in the past like IDEA. Those type of events are so useful and educational and it is amazing to meet the people in this industry. But for some reason your event really taught me something that I will keep with me forever and I can’t wait to attend next years. So keep doing what you are doing. Thank you Bedros and I will see you again soon:)

Hello Bedros! I’m a first-timer on any blog! But after reading the comment Tom made-I felt compelled to say something. I have so much to say in response to what has been said that I realized I was taking this somewhat personally! Then I read some of the comments here and realized that much has been said on your behalf in response to Tom’s comments. I think he needs to be enlightened on what information marketing is and how it is not exclusive of being knowledgeable, learned or experienced-in fact what you teach is not taught at the universities! It is imperative that not just trainers but all small business owners, entrepreneurs and solo-professionals understand “how to market their services and products effectively”, in my opinion it is one of the most important skills one can master. You should be very proud of what you have created here-you are helping many professionals like myself have a better quality of life while still helping others to achieve their dreams and goals. One thing I love about you, Chris and Steve is that you are creating a life around what you love to do not a life around your work. Your labor day weekend with your wife and children-will always be remembered for years to come-the money you make can not replace this-but it sure helps in that your not tied down with no time or money to have a wonderful “getaway” with your family. We all want this! Move on…know in your heart, your providing a much needed service. Thanks for all you do!

Be well,
Maria

Bedros has by far given me and Kevin the best and most practical marketing and fitness business advice to help us run a killer business. I’m not exaggerating when I say that if it wasn’t for Bedros, we wouldn’t have a brand new group training facility and I wouldn’t have just secured support from my Mayor and the local newspaper for a city-wide Biggest Loser contest. Impractical? I think not… It’s Bedros that has given us a killer advantage over our competitors. And that is FACT.

Bedros,

I was just talking to a good friend about how creditable you are. I also mentioned to this person that I did intensive research on you before I purchased anything from you. The outcome? -Great products, awesome information, and amazing results. You are definitely the one stop shop. I have not found anyone who provides the services that you do all under on roof. Honestly, I am not looking. Why fix something that is not broken?!

Tom,

Bedros makes it less stressful for us by providing us with information. We study the information that we receive from him and we apply it as we see necessary. This way we can focus more on our business and helping those who need it.

I do have to give it to you Tom. You have attracted attention to yourself. The oldest trick in the book!

Tom,
What the hell is wrong with you? You’re so high and mighty on hiding in the academic world I can tell you’re scared to death to succeed. And who really cares about your military record and title of “Army Master Fitness Trainer?” It’s irrelevant here.

You’d rather have 23 letters after your name of various certs then lead the life of financial freedom as a true fitness professional. And somewhere in there, you’ve lost your true passion for helping as many people as possible.

I can personally vouch for Bedros and can personally show you my bank account BEFORE meeting Bedros, Steve, and Chris. And I can show you the same bank account AFTER meeting them. There is a huge, positive difference in the numbers.

There has been no other mentors like Bedros, Steve, and Chris that have helped me put 250,000 dollars into my bank account within a year.

I’d like you to share with everyone here exactly what college course can do the same.

You’re from the military Tom. In fact, maybe with all my extra money, I’ll buy an army tank and roll your ass over.

If Bedros sucks as bad as this guy says, what’s he doing getting your emails. If I don’t like what a guy is doing, I’m not going to subscribe to his email list. And he is keeping track of Steve Hochman too, what the hell is his problem. He’s listing off his credentials like somebody cares. If you don’t like Steve or Bedros stay off their sites don’t get their emails, and don’t worry about what they are doing.

I like what you’re doing Bedros cause you have given me path to follow, something a Army Master Trainer or a guy with a MBA hasn’t. And you never claimed to be this all-knowing fitness training research guru anyway, so where’s the comparison. You have only taught us how to improve the business aspects of our fitness business so we can be financially free.

When I need some knowledge on athletic training I’ll go to Mike Boyle, Alwyn Cosgrove. When I need help with my business, I go to Bedros, Chris, Steve, Jim, and Pat.

Hey Bedros, isn’t he the kind of trainer you tell us not to be?

JUST HIT UNSUBSCRIBE IF YOU DON’T SEE THE GOODNESS IN WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON HERE DUDE

I have a top level education but I couldn’t sell my training so it WAS COMPLETELY USELESS. Education is not about gaining knowledge and being an “expert”, it’s about taking action and producing results. I believe that is your message Bedros, and I would be lost if you didn’t step out from the crowd and tell us how it really is. Thank you

hey Bedros, he is right about having an opinion, but thats it. I think that is Bull s@##! you don’t need to prove anything to anyone (and that goes for everyone). You do what you are passionate about, which is helping trainers (such as myself) to get their lives and business successful. I was diagnosed having depression, but I can honestly say that watching you and Steve talking about how to not be afraid, taking on fear and using it, and wanting a better life for yourself and your family is what we all want. My depression only gets the better of me when I STOP reading your posts (which I haven’t done for a while). I love what you are doing and keep doing it, because I am looking at things like I never have before, and that is thanks to you!!!

This guys just doesn’t get it..LOL..it’s very transparent that he is the following.

1. Full Of “General Knowledge”, which is why he is so fanatical about College.

2. He desperately needs to read “Think And Grow Rich”, hence maybe his little brainwashed military brain won’t have to resort to more degrees etc or #1…LMAOF

3. Who the hell in their right mind would want to train with this very transparent NEGATIVE self righteous prick?

Keep doing what your doing Bedros, and always remember “Haters Make You Famous Bro”, and critics are simply just a bunch of “Wannabes”, who will never be….Hilarious(-:

Bedros, as you can see I NEVER comment and unfortunately haven´t attended your summit YET. That said, I just want to say THANKS for all your help.

MY MY MY…Tom sure place tons of emphasis on college and orthodox publishing. Nothing wrong with that, but it appears that Tom has gone overboard and rubs me the wrong way. My clients love me because I can think outside the box and they never know what they are going to get…this keeps them coming for more! All I can say is there are many many ways to share information. It doesn’t always click for everyone and so there is nothing wrong with re-packaging it so it comes across differently…as long as there is fresh info to go along. Sorry for the long-winded response…BTW: Even Bootcamp can get hum-drum and no matter how much education you have…if you don’t mix things up and relate well with others…success can evade you. God Bless and have a fruitful day everyone. No hard feelings Tom…we are all brothers and sisters in the fitness realm…regardless of our differing opinions.

Bedros- You are a Fitness Marketer, it’s what you do, and you’re good at it. Obviously it’s about making money, and teaching people how to make money. It would be great if you wrote an actual book, and I don’t see why you couldn’t-you are always a good read.
Tom-by all means take a few more courses-if you’re really into self-improvement, focus on English Lit. this time. Then, when you’ve mastered the complex art of grammar,perhaps YOU can write a book worth reading.

Who is Tom Schneider? Never heard of him? and what are the 4P’s . You know Bedros I know many trainers with degrees and dont have much of a personality or the know hows to get clients. It seems like there is a green eye monster out there who is mad at you!

wow, are you serious? I was in the Army and I used to train in the gyms, and I know the elitist attitude from both realms. You have a niche. when trainers get their degrees and certs they know about the body and how to train people, but how do you get more clients? how do you get out of the pay scale of an average trainer (30-40k)? you are providing a need, and that is why you get paid. I saw all of his certs, accolades and degrees, but I did not see his pay, I saw that he had a Boot Camp business but I did not see how many clients he had or if he was making at least 10k per month. as a fitness pro we all want to help people, but we have to make sure our families are situated and our kids kids are taken care of. and that is where you come in. anyone that is checking this blog is laughing at him because we all know what you do and how you help, Bedros. thank you

aj

This guy is a HATER!

Keep up the good work Bedros!

[...] thank you for all the cool, kind, and awesome comments you left last week when I put up the “I need your opinion” blog [...]

OK, normally this kind of baloney never gets a comment from me, but since Bedros needs it , here comes:

“so maybe you should publish a real book and see if the REAL WORLD will buy it…..”

So you’re intending to say that the money that Bedros has made from his products is not REAL? Judging from the house shown in the “Who is Bedros” video, that’s a very REAL-WORLD house you know.

Let’s dust off your University textbooks for a moment. In case you’ve forgotten, Peter Drucker the management guru said:

“The purpose of business is to create and keep a customer.”

That’s what Bedros does. Do you also?

PS. Envy is bad for your health, but green spinach is good.

He is a hater and the message wasn’t entirely constructive. There is something there though. Unless I’ve missed it, the products do appear to be sold/marketed on the assumption that the prospect or customer is qualified. Perhaps it would be more professional to stipulate that all marketing products are only available to qualified and registered fitness/exercise professionals. You could even demand a registration no. at the point of sale. The UK has the Register Of Exercise Professionals. Know-one could complain then, not even Tom! But yes, we don’t want these money-making systems to fall into the wrong hands, there are a ton of cowboys out there and Bedros does not want to be associated with them. PT’s already have a rep for being money grabbers with no integrity which we must get away from. Amen. Thank you for all the free info by the way, Bedros I’m still in the middle of your marketing funnel…for now.

Yea, that dude is a f#€k. As far as I’m concerned I don’t know what a get-rich-quick scheme has anything to do with constantly giving people free helpful advice like a rare honest worth-a-dam American. Yea.lol

Hi Bedros,

Thought I would share my thoughts as well.

I spoke with a representative last week from an ACSM regional chapter. The younger man in charge of putting the regional meeting together was interested in having me come and speak on some of the topics I cover over at FitnessProBlogger.

Specifically, I’m working right now on some cool stuff that shows fitness pros how to take advantage of social media and build their personal brand online.

They were also interested in having me as a vendor and on their expert panel, and I was interested in being involved in all facets of the program.

End Result?

The Board of Scientific Experts and college professors were ‘uncomfortable’ with the idea because they want to maintain the scientific integrity of the meetings. The representative I spoke with was very disappointed. He felt there was tremendous value in what I was proposing and that it would be of great benefit to the members.

Ultimately, it is likely I won’t attend the event at all because without the chance to present there is little chance I will generate the ROI I need to justify the trip. And in the mean time, students and young professionals in the ACSM will miss out on an opportunity to learn some valuable business skills.

We have to remember that most people don’t own their own businesses and are not entrepreneurs. That is just a fact. And that as a result, they don’t think like us, act like us, or need to see the strategy behind what we do because someone else is responsible for cutting their paychecks.

The challenge is in finding ways to educate fitness professionals about business outside the University setting. Because it is certainly isn’t happening inside.

John Ashworth, Owner
FitnessProBlogger.com

Who knows…maybe this guy thinks that you're untouchable and that the only way to reach you for any advice is to buy coaching from you for so much per year/or per hour (or put up a harsh post?).

Sometimes as a little guy, things can be out of reach.

You are obviously a busy guy Bedros, and you could not possibly talk to every single PT on the planet asking for advice (which is why I believe this blog was created).

I think it must have been a bad day for him.

Sorry, I was trying to look at things a little more from his angle.

Thx for everything you do. I love fitpro, your art of selling and I am looking fwd to attending a Fitness Summit to meet you personally.

Rob

I have seen your video on how to sell 9 out of 10 clients from a friend, GREAT STUFF!
NOW,,,
I used to work for 24 hour fitness and have a college degree in nutrition, also certified with various school as trainer and rehabilitation specialist and THE THINGS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT IN THAT VIDEO are very very educational

when i saw that video i was just starting my job as trainer and knew alot about fitness but COULD NOT GET ANY CLIENTS myself. after that video i was able to sell training like crazy at the gym and THUS BE ABLE TO HELP SOOOOO MANY FOLKS that really needed my help

SO YOUR STUFF REALLY HELPS ,,, you’re not off track man!

I usually do not commit but this was worth it.There’s always a hater in every sport. I am a prior vet from the Army and oviously this guy could not hack it in the Army so it sounds like he’s a bit bitter. Continue to do your thing Bedro’s and keep up the great work.

I was able to get great ideas from Bedros and I don’t feel like anything is a get rich quick scheme. I Work at a gym and do private training here and there and I love the idea of turning your current clients into referral generators. If you train genuinely from the heart, the clients know that. If you take some tips from Bedros on marketing yourself .. more people will be touched by your genuine love for helping others get fit. period.

Hey Bedros! 12/10/09

I think Tom sounds abit jealous myself. He thinks that going to college and getting a degree is THE ONLY way to be great at selling/marketing PERSONAL TRAINING SERVICES. I would STRONLY DISAGREE WITH THAT PREMISE!

I happen to actual purchase some of your products…like the DVD….closing 9 out of 10 clients…all the information on it was TOP NOTCH…no filler. I would ask Tom to have all those so-called degree Harvard types to show us the SELLING/MARKETING materials they have made available to the public. Probably amounts to next to nothing! If they have any at all its probably alot of psycho fitness BABBLE. Nothing that even remotely comes close to the NUTS AND BOLTS REAL FITNESS ACUMEN THAT YOU BRING TO THE TABLE! I don’t know you personally…but to me you have always come off as genuine and authentic! Your passion for helping people in the fitness industry comes through loud and clear… and you GIVE AWAY SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH REAL CONTENT…for FREE…I am sure that Tom’s buddy the Dr. of Fitness does that too! NOT!
I am very impressed with your knowledge, innovations, drive and fitness prowess. You are on the CUTTING EDGE and way ahead as far as future thinking in this industry. I just read your post on 2010…the things that you are predicting…GREAT CONTENT…AS USUAL. I am a PERSONAL TRAINER from SOUTH JERSEY …10 MIN SOUTH EAST OF PHILADELPHIA. I’ve been training and selling Personal Training for over 10 years…i WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL working in the BIG BOX GYMS. Of late i have been working on gettin my own biz off the ground. I am struggling abit with it …trying to get more HOME -BASED private clients hasn’t been as easy as I thought it would be. ANYWAY… don’t LOSE ANY SLEEP (like you would anyway…LOL) over Tommy boys post…there’s always going to be nay-sayers and negative types out there. For every TOM TYPE out there…there are hundreds of REAL FITNESS PROFESSIONALS WHO KNOW THAT YOU are THE REAL DEAL! As we all know…some of the MOST TALENTED,SUCCESSFUL, INGENIOUS, RESOURCEFUL PEOPLE …like Thomas Edison, Ben Franklin, HENRY FORD…ETC..never had any FORMAL TRAINING…YET they had MONUMENTAL IMPACT on all of us.

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK YOU DO FOR THIS INDUSTRY AND THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN IT!

Sincerely,
paul barrett
[email protected]

Hey mate I’m with you all the way! College wasn’t for me either. I have bought your dvd and watched it over and over, I would say the dvd is more sales polishing class.

I had discussion with another PT at the gym and he had an issue with me learning how to sell and changing tactics he said “If your product is good enough you shouldn’t have to learn how to sell it” which is partly true. However, you could have the best and most potent technique ever created but if you do not know how to structure a sales presentation you’ll waste a lot of time and money fluffing it up and winging it.

This guy should have written of to more online colleges and mentors with the same rant and see what response he gets. A lot of the colleges teach what you already know the difference is you get that bit of paper at the end that allows you to get insured!!

I also signed up for your newsletter, its genius I’m in constant contact with all my clients and they love the free info and it keeps my name in their head. I hade a seasonal Bootcamp a year ago and decided to add all my Bootcamp contacts from it to my newsletter, now one of my clients who I haven’t spoken to in over a year is recommending me to her company for a corporate Bootcamp!! get in!

Keep going!! because you’re in contact with so many people there will always be who don’t agree with what you do, its just opinion.

Tom Hartin
Freetimefitness
Birmingham UK

This might possibly be the most ignorant thing I ever read.

So according to Tom if you do not have a college degree and try to sell something to someone you are a “scammer”?

Well, I’m quite new to Bedros’s fitness email’s on helping pt’s. Some of the marketing Ideas that Bedres has obviously tried and tested himself sound really cool and make sense to me. I’m really tempted to buy system 9 as I’ve just set up my own fitness company, plus Bedros does have strong testimonial’s from some well known fitness guru’s ie Alwyn Cosgrove, and I’m sure He’s not going to put his name to just anyone. To finish I to wasn’t great at school but It was my dream to become a pt and train people in my local community.
And most of the people I’ve known who’s been in college or Uni ended up working for Mc Donalds.

Perhaps tom should buy system 9 or go to one of Bedro’s seminar’s and then perhaps tom might have some ground for criticism,

Jason Johnson

South wales
Treorchy UK

Bedros, Im impressed with all the backing you have as well. The way I see it. you are helping us make a lot of money at something we have a passion for doing and at the same time you are helping us change peoples lives. The more money we make the more people we are helping. the only thing I can say is THANKS!!

Also, I have been in the fitness industry for 11 years and I have college degree and a top cert. this has not helped me at all at changing peoples lives. all the knowledge in the world doesn’t mean shit if you don’t know how to apply it, how to motivate people or for that matter if you don’t have the people in front of you to help which is where sells comes to play. I was reading something of Chris’s and thought it was very funny because of how true it is. The statement about the more certs or degrees someone has in this field it seems the less money he/she makes. I see this being very true. And if these people are not making money then how many people can they really be helping out??? These trainers are to worried about having knowledge and not enough worry about helping people…

Education vs experience: I will take experience every time!!
(Experience with results)

Bedros, you, Steve, and Chris are innovators!! keep it up and hope to make it to one of your seminars or coaching weekends soon..

thanks again

there’s this famous saying…. “when people get jealous of you… it only means you’re progressing and getting better…” cheers, Bhushan

Scamming people!?
All you’re doing is giving very valluable information and guidance for trainers and such to make a better living out of what they love to do and not keep going around in circles without ever really reachng their full training and financial freedom potential. Money is just paper, currancy; but information and wise guidance is priceless!
If I had enough money(and soon will)to get more advice from you, I would do it in a heart beat.
After I bought your System 9 I havent even finished watching everything and I ALREADY see a bigger and brighter light at the end of the tunel more than I’ve ever seen before.

Funny thing that guy said that about you, cause I just told my self made multy millionaire friend in Brasil that I founf the “Tony Robbins” of fitness and I said that with all the respect thatI have for you and your work and work ethics.
Its a compliment to be put in the same standards as Tony Robbins on my book, so feel good about Bedros.
Have a great weekend! Thanks for the Light!

WOW. Every one here hit all my comments dead on. THis is such a good way to promote yourself and how good you are at what you do man! Just look at all these post. I dont think the guy was expecting this! Ha Ha. Keep up the good work man and thanks for all your products, They have helped me out a bunch!

Mitch Hell

Every time I have ordered anything from you I have improved my business and my business relationships…Your stuff is great by me…

I HAVN’T SEEN ANYWHERE THAT YOU HAVE TRIED TO PASS YOURSELF OFF AS A FITNESS TRAINER OF TRAINERS. EVERY ONE OF YOUR CLIENTS SHOULD ALREADY BE QUALIFIED IN THEIR CHOSEN FIELD.

WHAT WE’RE ARE LOOKING FOR IS A BETTER WAY TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT WHO WE ARE, AND I THINK THAT YOUR EXPERTISE MAKES THAR DOABLE.

IF I DIDN’T KNOW HOW TO TRAIN PEOPLE, I WOULDN’T NEED YOUR HELP IN REACHING OUT TO THEM.

WHY SHOULD TOM GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR GOALS NNAD MOTIVATION AS LONG AS HE CAN USE YOUR INFORMATION TO FURTHER HIS OWN AGENDA?

Dont even worry bro toms a tosser……. i reackon you rock man and your helping all us fitness trainers kick ass and achieve the business we want to run and the lifestyle we desire sooooo keep the hot info coming man its awesome stuff

I just purchased your program a few days ago. I’m so excited I cant stop working on new ideas and possibilities, all thanks to you. I recently got married but I was a single mom of two kids for the past 13 years, we have struggled for a long time. I waited tables, bartended, tried taking some college classes, but college is not for me. I hired a personal trainer when I had some extra money and I fell in love with thw fitness industry. I studied under 3 different trainers for 6 years before I took my certification. I have only been certified for a few months now. I have had 4 clients so far, 3 could not continue due to their finances. I am now trying to generate enough money to get a website and other advertising techniques. I work out of a gym and give the owner a percentage of my sales. I think your great, like I said my excitement is off the chart. But, everyone has their opinions. I dont understand why he would take time out to follow what you do if he felt that way ? That confuses me ? Anyway, thanks for what you do !

Well Bredros, I think Tom is right in saying that you are in the (sell information business now)
Valuable information business to be exact. In all the videos I have watched or blogs and emails I have received from yourself, I have I never heard you once claim that you will make people better fitness coaches, if they teach there clients your fitness techniques. (Tom, firstly you need to remove the beam from your own eye before you can remove the speck from your friend’s eye)
You can be the best fitness coach in the world but if you can’t get people to come to your gym or sign up to your program/ membership, what good is any bit of paper saying I have a degree saying I am the best fitness coach in the world from the best fitness collage in the world . When the bank is going to for close your gym because you can not make the repayment (I am from the UK so I hope I said it right) what I have heard you say is, I have been where most people have been and gone through the problems and I have made the mistakes and I have come out the other side and the knowledge I have gained has made me a sh1* load of money.
What Tom has failed to grasp is? In the same way, Tom has gone to collage gained the knowledge and he is now offering his knowledge to his customers at a price or does he teach all his customers for FREE I don’t think so.
Tom do you offer a full money back guarantee that after 1 month or 2 month or even 12 month at your gym if you have not reached your goals you will get all your money back. I await your reply.

I used to train under the world champion kickboxing champion. He lost his belt to Enn Fairtex. No shame in that Fairtex is a legend. But my instructor couldn’t make enough money to run his school and had to work at comcast, even working at comcast he had to close his gym.

It doesn’t matter how good you are if you can’t get people to come into your school and know how to run a business.
On that note. Theirs a difference between professional development and formal education. I prefer the former and I think it’s far more valuable if people don’t care about the piece of paper that you have.

I don’t think Bill Gates cares if he has a piece of paper that says Phd…He’s like “BITCH I’M RICH AND YOU’RE USING WINDOWS!”

Schools are systems out there to make money. Explain why you have to take art, history, english, etc to get any kind of degree even if it doesn’t relate to your field.

Ff someone can make a product that works and teaches you effective real life information. Then they just saved you thousands of dollars of art classes.

Most business majors I know couldn’t business their way out of a paper bag.

Maybe should have just bought one of Bedros’s products.

As Mike Boyle says- if someone is hating on you you know you’re doing something right! This is a new benchmark of your success Bedros!

Cheers!

Isaac

Well, since I do have a lot of fancy fitness certifications and degrees (as is required in the opinion of the gentleman who made the comments), I can tell you that the concept of joining a mastermind group and getting a mentor is brought up in every advanced business class I ever attended. I think what Bedros is doing- creating mastermind groups and mentoring from a business and marketing standpoint is exactly what every industry needs at every level. I look forward to meeting Bedros and everyone else attending this weekend’s 21 Day Makeover. I am sure I will learn a lot.

I get what the guy is saying and respect his opinion but coming from an awesome trainer (yes I will toot my own horn lol) who has NO incling of how to market myself or my business, I appreciate what you’re doing. And bottom line, we’re all here because we want to make some serious money… If I can benefit from your knowledge and grow my business while putting a few dollars into your bank account- I’M ALL FOR IT!!! I’ve had the same number of clients for almost 6 months!!!! Yet I’ve only had system 9 for 2 days and I’m already making some serious moves to establish my business. 2 more clients purchased training as of YESTERDAY because of what you taught me in the very first 2 videos and a few other prospects from local businesses and referrals. Woohoo!!! I’m totally thinking on an entirely different level pertaining to business/marketing. Everywhere I go and everyone I meet is an opportunity to grow my business. Love what you’re doing. Thanks a lot!!! Keep it up so I can get rich quick!!! Lol

Tom,

No hard feelings here, truly; as everyone has the right to their own opinion. If you feel his information is over-priced, he’s full of himself, he only wants money or whatever your opinion is of his work - than don’t get on his sites, don’t buy his products and don’t pay attention to his marketing of his products & such. You do have that option. You can opt out of receiving his emails. When I choose not to surround myself with someone because I don’t agree with their methods, I totally disengage myself with them. You are continuing to fuel the fire. If you are in disagreement with his business practices or ethics, than that’s absolutely respectable. Simply opt to not have anything to do with him or his business. Those who choose to continue with him will and those who won’t - won’t.

Best wishes to everyone either way!

we are in the information age, and i love your information bedros and am willing to invest my money into your information, ad the returns at 10 fold

keep up the good work, and dont worry bout the haters

quit hatin tom

I appreciate your fitness marketing ideas very much, and have found them to be very useful! Please continue doing what you do! You have helped me and my business already! You inspire me, thanks

I think he was voicing his opinion-which is just that, an opinion. If you are smart, you find a way to market what you know, and that’s exactly what you do, and help a lot of people in that way. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. I don’t think the guy hates you though… didn’t think what he said was hateful, although maybe a bit harsh.

I have an idea…. How about we take and tally up the bank acounts of everyone you’ve coached or has purchased ANY of your information and compare it to everyone who he has coached or whatever he does to help people build better a fitness business and see which total is bigger. I’m gonna go ahead and say I don’t think it will even be CLOSE!! Millions of $$$ will be the distance between your clients and his just saying.

Can we please see a copy of Tom’s Bank Statements??

Can we please talk to all the people who now lead the lives they’ve always wanted because of Tom??

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Tom can keep his college campus, Army-whatever and his ACSM Cert. He is just a Hater because he wasn’t innovative enough to develop a Fitness Marketing System to help Trainers all over the World blow-up their businesses - like Bedros.

I got the same sort of accusations thrown at me by people at least once a month. These people typically are of the mindset that making LARGE profits by providing a FANTASTIC service is somehow a bad thing.

Never mind companies like Apple and Google who do the same thing all the time - I guess it’s only okay to be successful in the tech industry, lol.

Keep doing what you’re doing, Bedros. You’re changing lives and opening fitness trainers up to a whole new way of thinking about their businesses… from the perspective of a prosperity mindset.

Thank you Bedros!

The services you provide are not at all a scheme. Without the information you and so many others provide to the fitness industry on “Fitness” marketing and business development, I would not be in the fitness industry today.

Darn you and your money making schemes Bedros!! Your products and Mastermind Coaching that I happily INVEST my money into have only caused me to (just about) TRIPLE my annual income in 1 year. Awe B, you should be ashamed of your greedy ways. Oh FYI I do not have a college degree but this my 14th year of training and I have literally helped thousands of people change their lives via fitness and health, all without a PHD in how to do so. F off Tom

Wow, that’s a lotta comments. I believe Frank Kern said it right in the draft of his new book which I will entitle later. Bedros, you’re in the business of making the phone ring and you better mine and other’s lives with the high quality info you provide for free and for profit. You’re apart of the important cog of people in this world that are making it great. (Because if we left it to all the squares with college degrees, they wouldn’t know what to do with it). P.s. I have a university degree, so what does it tell you. Pay 10k a year for 4 years to work at a pizzeria or starbucks. You should only go to university if you want to become a doctor, lawyer, accountant, etc. And you better want to be one, otherwise you’ll hate your life. Anyways, you give so much more value than any of those acsm seminars, college professors could ever give. One, they can’t sell, and if you can’t sell, you can’t teach. Anyways this shouldn’t even be up for debate. Nice social proof post.

Josh thanks so much for your comment. You’re
an awesome dude. First class!

Bedros

Hi B. Ironically 4/28 was my B-day so I couldn’t check this out; but, remember THIS ~ I don’t just delete your stuff and that’s a big compliment. Maybe I don’t read all the way through but at least a few lines and sometimes all the way through. Know why? Because I KNOW that you are not BSing and you DO have content, ok’y among other things which are quiet fun, too LOL…

First of all my friend, this person is comparing you to Tony Robbins and hey, that is a HUGE compliment as far as i’m concerned. I’m a follower of his and THAT is awesome. What the heck you haven’t gone to school? BD!!! There are many educated Fools around us ~ a dime a dozen. Not to say that all educated people are; but, it really matters not. I have a degree from 4 year college; but, i’m not following that degree lead, instead following the small minor I started in early years. Anyway, off of me and back to you ~ I truly feel that you have a big heart (that’s more important than any success or position to me) AND you have found a super way to get yourself in a prosperous mode. Why not? Any of us, personally, may not want to follow every single lead; but, I, for one am very thankful that you ARE around and showing us many ways & things to do stuff better. And why not marketing and making $ at it? After all, it’s not like you’re sitting on your rear all day long? And even if you do, you’re actually doing things that you like that happen to bring you $. Anyway ~ sorry the long writing; but, I think you need a back up brother and I want to be honest and be there for you just as you are for us…

Take care and never mind Tom? whatever his name was because he already did a disclaimer himself that Every Body has Opinions and they are like (you know what!). So, that’s his Hope yours is doing well LOL…

Oh… did I say there are lots of Educated fools around? and 1/2 the “real” books in the market SUCK anyway? Yes, I’m a major reader ~ I know
Take care buddy and keep up the good work ~

There is an obvious gap in the market! Trainers are coming into the industry with lack of experience in business and training.
I feel you are helping to close this gap by helping trainers be successful and therefore helping their clients achieve their results!
This surely cant be a bad thing Tom?

As trainers and coaches we are taught how to help coach people. Once we qualify, many of us want to learn more on how we can help. Lots of us have spend thousands on our education in health and fitness and made some serious sacrifices. Yet alot of us are not and never will be marketing experts making it hard to reach to the crowds no matter how much we know.

I recently bought something from Bedros and it has given me hope in making my business a greater success. I have also interned with strength and conditioning coaches who are not known in any other field than what they are in. You don’t have to go to Uni or become a lecture to a uni to know what you are talking about.

Really?…Who care what Tom thinks?..But I do agree with Tom about Steve Hochman…that guy thinks he is beyond critique and does delete anything bad or even slightly negative or anything that’ll call out his BS…at least you’re a man about it and leave those comments up…so for that, I commend you…keep doing what you’re doing!!

In the right hands nearly anything can be turned into a scam. Bedros and his colleagues are just giving marketing info that you “can” use if you feel comfortable with it. There are some tactics that I simply don’t agree with but that’s purely my issue. In the end it comes down to whether or not the trainer that is using the information is providing a safe and effective means of training for their clients. When you run into problems is when people with little to no training knowledge, experience, or even certification (which all to often means next to nothing anyway) are just looking for a way to make quick and easy money. It’s not different than selling guns. When used properly they have many practical applications, in the wrong hands they become weapons of mass destruction.

You have helped me go from in house gym trainer to having a pumping studio in 8 months, Thanks Bedros. I don’t believe anyone that puts so much time and effort into hating on people can be truly happy in their own life.

Bedros, I follow you because you are a great marketer.

Mr Thomas Schneider’s is just ranting because he is jealous.

Owen

Hi,

I’m new to your stuff Bedros… and so far what I’ve seen (the free stuff you offer) has been great.

I do think the guy has a point though - hear me out :0)

Dan Kennedy is an online “information marketer” and he has lots of “real” books in the bookshops…. his “NO BS” Series…

Someone once asked him… “If you give away all your information for so cheap does it not detract from your regular high paying products and consulting business?”

His reply was basically “No. Even though people learn my stuff they still want to buy all my high end stuff or pay me to just do it all for them”

So the army guy just gave you a great tip. Do a book (you obviously have a wealth of info) and use it as a lead machine… That way all the “regular” Personal Trainers who go to the conventions (and don’t go online for marketing help) will also be able to discover your work…

And as they always say - having someone hate you is better than having someone have no feelings at all…

Thanks for the info so far. Much appreciated.

Now go write that book! :0)

Good point Rigwelter

B

What works in real life and academia is two different worlds and anyone that does not know this needs another lesson in the “school of hard knocks”.

If we want to talk degrees then I am in! I have an MBA and listen very closely…its just a piece of paper. Its what you do with your knowledge and your personal goals that counts.

One of the first things I learned in business is do whatever is required to reach your objective within your moral and ethical compass.

*Note* I have been doing this for a while and I am still waiting for one person to ask for my credentials or degrees. They don’t care about that mess, they want results! If you can offer that, then you are “it” for them.

My opinion doesn’t matter, but here it is - Leverage everything in your power in accordance with your current accepted level of risk.

I will take help from PHD and self made millionaires alike!

Keep it fresh,keep it exciting and “Do Work Son”