I Really Need Your Help

You know B, you’re a lot like me. I could have 1000 clients tell me I’m awesome, but if one a-hole tells me something different that is what I will dwell on. This guy was obviously not at a point where he could fully grasp the awesomeness you were throwing his way. He truly missed the point. He was all about the negative, and we all know what that will deliver. He manifested exactly what he thought he would - ZERO. That sucks for him, but not everyone is life will succeed no matter who is coaching them. Refund him and be done with it - it is not worth your time. Just wish him the best and move on - he is not ready to be helped. To put is “Josh Speak” just wipe the dog shit from your shoes and keep walking (or in your case running.)

If I was running your business, here is what I would tell Trey. Trey, Hello, I am so sorry you did not get the value that you thought you were paying for.
I want all my customers to be happy and therefore I am going to give you a refund for what you paid for the conference, and I am going to offer you 2 FREE hours of my personal Coaching to help you generate some business.
In return, all I ask is that after you start making some money from the help you got from my Free Coaching, you then help someone else the way I helped you!
I am sorry for the bad place you are in right now… Keep your Chin up…It will get better!

Bedros

This is a tough one, but after FBS 2010 I helped my daughter make this ninja fundraising link. When I’m in a bad mindset, I think about the struggles of others and it centers me and I’m grateful for what I have!

http://trainingforspeed.com/inspirational-run/

I have never been to a fitness seminar that Bedros has put on, but I can tell you that all the free advice and e-mails I get from Bedros and other people connected to Bedros are awesome. But reality is as trainers we can’t cout on other people to make us successful. We all know as Personal Trainers we offer a service and the stuff Bedros offers are simply things that can help. Man my impute is go out and offer people a service and if you really have something to offer people will line up for what you have to offer. I guess my feeling is that if you thought the seminar was going to be your key to being successful you need to ask yourself had you not gone to the seminar would you still be short of clients? If so then no mstter what you do your personal trining will never be successful. Seminars are just something to help us not base our whole business on. Just my thoughts
Chris

First I would apologize for airing his place in life right now as I’m sure he’s probably not to happy about it. Then I would inquire how well he was doing before the seminar if a couple of thousand dollars has bankrupted him. I would also be curious to know why no matter how gassed you get about marketing would you let your customer care slip, you don’t make money getting clients you make it when you retain them ! I think it’s honarable that you are returning his money, maybe he should train in a gym, get a steady check,meet new people and start to rebuild.

Hi Bedros,

We can all make excuses not to do the things that we need to do. It’s the things we don’t often like to do that are the most important. You know the majority of us personal trainers hate to market but if we go in there with a negative midset to start people will pick up on this.
You and other reliable sources can only give us valuable information but it’s up to us to utilise it.
Personally I know why I get quiet…it’s because I’m not doing anything or enough.

Trey,

Listen bro,I think most of us have been in a spot where we feel like we made a bad business decision. i certainly have, but its really hard for anyone to help u out unless you make it very clear what exactly you did, step by step… Bro marketing is the #1 thing that will grow your business, Joes list was a ” list” of all different types of marketing, not a list to try and completes each section of it.. I think if you answer this post and layout exactly what you did one of us can pinppoint what you should do that may completely fix things.. do not be down on your decision, FBS10 was put together to change your mindset in the game , Your job is to make it happen…

This is not meant to be harsh either but if your not making money, YOU are not doing something right, only can pin blame on one person.. and it isnt bedros keuillian, the guy that has helped make thousands of personal trainers take there business to 6 and even 7 figs.. !

Let us know what is going on

cheers
JB

Well, see what happens after Trey has got his refund back for a little while. If he is still in the same state that might mean he is doing something else seriously off track. Passion and committment are paramount. I believe if you foucs on building your business your business will bloom like a spring flower. If his life has changed to the better after the refund that might meant he is able to handle things better when there is no financial stress.

First off, I admire the fact that Trey didn’t use any profanity in his post. Even though he’s “venting”, it does show some character.

Maybe Trey should look at this situation as a positive. Apparently, the marketing tactics he learned really are not for everyone. For 99% of the population- it’s good, but for an unlucky few- it’s not. Maybe his geographic region responds better to “normal” advertising. I currently work at the Mercedes Athletic Club in Vance, AL and have worked in gyms for a long time. The three most important things that make a health club work are: cleaniness, just being polite to all members, and keeping the treadmills working. So, without knowing anything about Trey beyond his post, maybe he spent too much time “marketing” when he got back home and slacked on his firest priorities.

Just a thought,
Chris

Ive never used your product, but I can respect a Trainer who asks for help. I will keep this short since this philosophy has never failed me. Marketing is only as good as your service, passion & enthusiasm. Im one of the luckiest people who gets to wake up every day never having to go to a job I hate. Find the Job you love and you never have to work another day in your life. Your client may have also had some unrealistic expectations of your product to get himself out of a financial situation that was already in dire straits. Ive seen trainers dig them selves into holes over and over again for the sake of $$$$. I think your being overly generous in your decision to refund him. I hope this helps.

Blessings
Amy

Wow! Wow! Wow! Sounds like this guy is in an unfortunate situation. He can move anywhere he wants but his negative outlook will not change. His blaming FBS is a pure cop out. Sure, give him a refund, and part ways because seriously he isn’t worth you’re time. Funny thing is, I live in Houston run two FitBody locations and do very well. FBS was nothing but AMAZING for my business and me!! You rock Bedros!! From my clients, myself, and my husband, thank you thank you for all you continue to do for us!
PS. Met this guy at the summit and am not one bit surprised .

Bedros…. 05/26/10

I only know you from what you do and say. You seem very genuine, authentic and down to earth. I have purchased

some of your products and they were EXCELLENT!I have never been disappointed. And you , Chris and Steve…always seem to give away so much FREE EXCELLENT INFORMATION …ON A DAILY BASIS… I don’t know

this fellow Trey, and its generous of you to refund his money.

Maybe the time wasn’t right for Trey to soak up the

information that was presented. Perhaps he has other

distractions in his life. But i can’t understand with the

incredible amount of personal knowledge and expertise that

you put into your services and products…i just don’t

understand Trey coming away …with nothing as he puts it…to

help him further his fitness aspirations. I know you probably

don’t have the time…but you could ask him some questions relating to the materiel that was presented and see if he actually retained any of it. IF he didn’t then who’s fault is it??

I think you would find out that there are holes in his story…and that he, himself is to blame for not applying and using the tips and ideas that were presented.

Anyway ….don’t know if that helps at all….just wanted to
leave some comments for you Bedros.

Paul Barrett
south jersey
[email protected]
856-297-7770

PS: I have recently had a trial month of Chris McComb’s Personal Trainer Club….and i m renewing….I am still trying to get out of the big box gyms….and get my own bootcamp biz off the ground….take care…..

I am glad you are giving him his money back. I really think he is in a bad place in general. He may have been hoping for the magic bullet that just because he spent the money to come FBS2010 he’d automatically make it back.

The truth is (you and many of the other speaker said it) you have to implement it first and stick to a strategy. It has happened to me where you get all fired up about something because of the good marketing but you never do anything with it. What happens then is that you go and look for the next product but you never take the necessary steps to create success.

Bedros if you want to help him just give him his money back. He is “not interested in learning to fish, he just want you to feed him.” (I hope that makes sense, it made sense in my head, LOL)

Thank you for FBS 2010 because of it I doubled my income. I made an extra $750 in one day just by implementing one of Joe Polish’s suggestions. Finally I met such great people with great energy, positive outlook, and a desire to press on… really if you could not come out with something to help you move your business forward then you must have been somewhere else, not FBS 2010.

Sincerely,
Armando

Hey Bedros,

I’m in no position to offer advice to Trey, but I would like to mentionthat we are starting Josh Carter’s 6 Week program that he went over on the last day of FBS 2010 - we just opened up all of our marketing funnels (all of which we learned from you and the crew, including a few new ones that we’ve opened since FBS) and have had 42 people that want IN on our transformation contest opt in in less than 36 hours.

42 potential clients in 36 hours! We get to pick who we want to let in for the first time ever!

If we can convert even 30% of those people to paying clients at the end of this contest it will do HUGE things for our business!

Wouldn’t have happened without FBS 2010!

Thank you Bedros, Steve, Josh and the rest of the FBS Crew!

It’s hard to sugar coat this one for Trey. If he sees failure he will fail and that’s that. I have a hard time believing that he didn’t get any value out of FBS. Everyone I know that goes to FBS gets pumped, their business explodes and they return year after year (me included). To me the failure he speaks of says more about Trey and what his mind set is and not about the value offered at FBS. I’d wish him the best of luck, send a refund and open up a spot for next year for some lucky person who will take the info and run with it. Who needs crabs anyways? FBS (07, 08, 09 and 10)rocked and so do you Bedros.

Bedros

You know the old saying ‘you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink”.

No person with a big chip on their shoulder this big could ever make a success of business. It is not your fault - let it go. You did your best.

Carolyn Hansen
Gym owner and online fitness marketer
New Zealand

Hey Bedros,
This guy needs a serious mental ASS-whipping! Because of his mindset he’s going to be in a worse place a year from now instead of doing whats been proven to work (all the gems from FBS). The more you mine eventually you’ll strike gold! You know the saying Bedros, “you can bring a horse to water…
Thanks for everything Bedros, if it weren’t for you, I’d be where this guy is now!

Hey Bedros,

I paid for the FBS 2010 but I was so busy I could not make it out. I still feel like I got my value in good mojo though:) I am bummed that I missed out but when you have a DVD of the event, I would like to buy one just so I can view the info. I am sure it was killer. I went to FIS 2009 and that rocked. I am sure that everyone in attendance benefitted from the “mastermind” that was created with all of those positive minds with a common chief aim.

Trey is clearly just doing what people do when they are desperate. He is blaming an event on his failure to perform. I think he should watch Glen Gary Glenn Ross and listen to Napoleon Hill’s Law of Success audiobook.

He has to move from Dallas to Houston because he can’t make money there? I would like to know what magical thing is different in Houston from Dallas. Do you have any coaching clients in Dallas Bedros? I bet they find a way to make some coin in that city.

Come on man. How did you spend $1,600? The seminar was only $300-$400. If I had other financial burdens, I would have driven out instead of flying, and I would have slept on the beach to make things happen. That is what the real fitness warriors do!

B,
I couldn’t afford FBS2010 due to horrible weather during the 1st quarter and it effected my camps plus I received an injury which slowed my momentum(as you know lack of momentum effects success). I have learned so much from all your FBS free info from you,steve etc.
Next year I will be at FBS, this year I will enroll in coaching and all other marketing opportunities,WHY?
Because I choose for NOTHING to get in my way of my mission to reach 7 figure and I choose to take advantage of Everything that comes my way. I Will push through the “fatigue”. I will give another Repetition to increase my marketing strength. I will do what I expect my campers to do-Persevere until you Prevail.
However, the hardest lesson I ever learned as a trainer was-You can’t succeed for them, you can’t persevere for them, you can’t prevail for them…sometimes all you can do is let go and let God!
Thanks for all your help and inspiration!
Trey when your ready for it to turn around-it will!

I like what Wayne said. Call it “paying forward” or goodwill or whatever…it’s just good business. The next guy who think you’re full of shit may just read this and re-think his position.

Life is all about the choices we make and the perspectives we take. Give this guy a view from your side - maybe he’ll “get it.” Maybe he won’t.

But like you said, his $$$ won’t really make you any richer.

I bet, however, that if he takes you up on your advice, he’ll pay over and over again, in one way or another.

Or not

Some people just freeload. But I didn’t get that sense from the email.

Best of luck!!!

Are you serious Trey???

First of all no one put a gun to your head and told you to come to FBS 2010. If you are that broke that you can’t invest a measly $1600 on your business then frankly you got a lot bigger problem then that.

Second: No matter what you do in life you are marketing. The sooner you learn marketing the sooner you can be successful. And I don’t mean just with money. I mean with everything in life.

Third: You already knew ALL the marketing ideas? Really? I study marketing and persuasion full time. I took away some great ideas that TOTALLY INCREASED my bottom line. Josh Carter, Leanne Ellington and Michael Duivis all thought me a BUNCH that weekend and I am already making 7 figures. I think you might have been in the wrong room bro.

Fourth: By the way if you know all the marketing already then you can use it to your advantage and build a business completely separate from training and make money. Not to mention persuading your baby mama not to go after you for child support.

Fifth: I hate to sound harsh but you seem to be the type of trainer that runs his mouth about his drama to his clients and wonder why clients don’t stay around.

Last but not least: Be a man, accept responsibility for your own life, make decisions without regret. I can tell you are going through rough times and I will pray for you and wish you the best however bringing others down is not a way to do it.

Hey B,
I am sitting here wishing I could have attended FBS. Everything I have ever purchased from you has been worth it’s weight in gold!!!! Any correspondence I have had with you has been prompt and professional. Tell this jacka- to get off his PMS (Poor Me Syndrome) and take action!!! It is not the marketing advice. It is not the lack of knowledge. It is not the negligence of the presenters. It is that this moron hasn’t taken “massive” action. Come on Dude….grow up!!!! You are that hard up that you are gonna demand a refund????? Check yourself!!! Quit your damn whining.

First off, I have to admire the guy for not using any profanity in his post. Even though he’s “venting”, that does show a lot of character as a man.

Maybe Trey is focusing too much on his “marketing” now and neglecting his gym’s priorities. The big three being: cleanliness, being polite, and keeping the cardio working. I’ve worked in health clubs a long time, and know that you can create a great sales team with some hard work. But, you can also create a great sales team of jerks if they forget about just being nice to people. Maybe good for profits in the short run, but never for the long haul.

Just a thought,
Chris

I wouldn’t put it the way Josh did because I’ve been where Trey’s mindset lives. He may have been brainwashed as I had by parents and well meaning sucurity minded relatives that a steady job that you hate is better than loving your life everyday. Unfortunately the refund will not help him financially professionally. I just had one long time bootcamper leave my class that changes every day to work out with another trainers class that uses single plane of motion machines because she likes “variety” I will wish her well on her journey of mediocrity just as we wish Trey the same. As long as your message stays ethical and consistent over the years people will keep coming back. So Trey and L.P. Don’t let the door hit your butt as you leave.

Bedro’s/Trey,
I also attended FBS2010. I took the plunge and made some key commitments to myself to put into action those things that I felt suited me best. By that I don’t mean they came easy I definitely had to get out of my comfort zone but they were things I felt I could handle before conquering other actions. I chose to become a Fit Body Bootcamp owner. I live in Elkhart County Indiana. The President’s been here multiple times because it is one of the most economically hit areas in the US. This area is devastated. I chose to use one tactic for the bootcamp that they recommended. I paired up with a local non-profit food bank. A friend of mine heard what I was doing he is in charge of the local theatre. My email blast list went from 168 people to 2,500 in one day. I have about $9,000 in new business and I’m giving the non-profit organization $3,000. For 6 weeks of work. Trey you need to find what fits you. You can’t make it in this business without marketing believe me I’ve tried. Find the style that suits you I can’t stress that enough. Develop a new niche in your area. I spent years training athletes. I love doing it and it is what drives me. I still train athletes and it’s great. I knew I needed to utilize my resources and bootcamps were my answer. I don’t know what your answer is but keep on searching and fighting for it. If I had tried to use every tactic from FBS2010 my head would have exploded. IF, IF you love what you do don’t give up. I’ve been through some seriously rough financial times I’ve literally lost it All and slowly gotten it back. “In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity”-Albert Einstein. Trey Don’t let a few dark weeks destroy what could be a bright future. Best of Luck Trey and thank you Bedro’s

Hi Bedros,

I feel for the guy and feel I understand where he is coming from. I’ve been there in situation if not in mentality. The problem is, he’s full of excuses and is not taking ownership. His failure is a result of his own choices and has nothing to do with your program.

That said, I am compassionate and have chosen to act in my business out of compassion so I understand your willingness to refund him. This was very compasionate to give him his refund. I would have responded slightly differently though,

Here’s what I would have said, “Trey, I feel for you. I am issuing you a full refund to assist you in your situation and I wish you the best and a shift in your situation for the better. My marketing methods are proven effective and I advise you not to give up on them. If you want to create a successful business where ever it is you end up doing business, examine your implementation of the tools given to you and try different methods of implementation, seek out successful professionals in your area to learn from and network with. If you want to learn how to be successful learn from those who are successful, trust their judgement and stay committed. They only gaurenteed path to failure is giving up too soon.”

Marketing is great at getting leads and prospects into your world, but if you can’t show them value and convince them that you are worth investing, then the problem is you and not the marketing.

And if you lost clients because you were too focused on marketing, that just means that you weren’t delivering results or your customer service went down. People buy from people they like and then they stay on forever if you deliver results.

I went to FBS this year and implemented two simple marketing strategies that have already gained a ton of new clients within my first two weeks back home.

The one thing I learned was that you need to have a warrior mind set and not let anything stop you from what you want. And if you fail 100 times, then keep trying until you get it right.

Trey so sorry things aren’t going your way, I have been there also broke and frustrated. But don’t give up, if having a fitness business isn’t your dream then get out of this industry and find something that will make you happy.

If you truly love what you do, you will never fail because you will find a way to succeed.

Maybe if he implemented all those things he already knew he would not have needed to come and get some ideas to not be broke, he would already have been filthy rich. Give him his money back, he needs it it more than you do and as long as you keep implementing you will be able to give people like him their money back. Look at it as charity for the under-implementing and underachieving.
P.S. Make sure you send the money to his kid though!!!

Hey B! I would give him a refund too. But inspire him that if he went to the business summit and didn’t get anything out of it then he was not paying attention. Maybe he isn’t even doing the simple basic things that he says he aleady knows. There are always going to be some people not happy even if you gave them the moon. They would say they didn’t like all those craters in it! Good job B. You rock and its sad he was too focused on the negativity of his situation. Bye!

Hi,
I am sorry to hear that such a calamity has befallen you. But, why if you’ve followed everything set out have you gone backwards? It was your choice to listen or not. I have not purchased Bedros full coaching program (will soon, it’s a goal treat), just a few of his procucts and what I got from it has helped me substantialy. I have not done Everything he said but what I felt suited me and where my headspace was at at the time. IT is always our choice as to what we do and how much of it we do. To blame someone else who is trying to show you the methods that has helped them and others is being too narrow minded and not asking yourself very important questions. What did go wrong and how do I not do it again? What can I take from this and do better next time?
Any way, my two cents.

James

ehy BREDOS
the world isn’t full of people who going to like you, you started this business and managed to succeed in life, there must be something you did right, and you shared all your knowledge with everyone, through out the world i have been following your teachings, for a long time. Am a personal trainer in a very small country, i dont know if you know it (brunei Darussalam), rich country but the population is minority( 300 000) people, now i have used your ideas and they seem to work i can see light through the tunnel and i know one day am going to break through and there i will be shinning Bred, you are an amazing person , this guy is just negative he doesn;t have an idea what success is all about, he came in to critisize you not to learn, i believe before he set foot in FB2010, his goal was to draw you towards negativity. So all he got was darkness.i would say dont bother negative people they are a Tonado, they pool people (succesful ) right at the center and throw you ,crash you, far from your ideas, so try not to think about this person as he will not shine, but kill your ideas. ehy like Joshua said, out of 1000 people one is an outcast, so ehy when it comes to politics if the majority say we can and one say we can not yu win the votes. i feel sorry for trey as he is in the dark all he needs to do is sit down and channel positive energy. the more yu focus on what you do the better or earlier, you see results. People always expect easy life it takes hard work labour to earn it. But its all about strategy. B’ you my men you rock i wish i had the money to visit FB2010, i dont know you but i want you to know there is one person who truely believes in you becos you just from the other planet men. You so clever you unfolded things that i have no idea if i didn’t read your books or articles would have known i will always lean and learn from you. Am a personal trainer and am triving to make ends meet like Trev but am not negative at all, i belive one day i will break through with such a master peice you deliver to us, god bless you and keep the good work. you are on the right side i have never written to you but i hope this letter makes it different. my goam, aim in fitness life is to run my own gym, build a solid clientele, base. please help me see more light dont stop sending me all those ideas, every morning i work up to switch on my laptop and the first thing i do is check if there is anything you send through. you like a god to me i have learnt a lot from you and i know one day my dream will come through ii will never stop applying your formular in my personal traing work. You even touched my heart by refunding this guy 1600, you showed him and the word that you not a hard person yu have proved to all us that you are a genuine person and yu derserve what you achieve and achieving ing life.
take care mate
sorry my english isn’t great but good enough to translate my feeling and send a massge.
prosper Mazorodze
Brunei Darrussalam
Asia

Success is a mindset. It comes from within - from believing in yourself and from being passionate about what you are choosing as a career choice. If your heart isn’t into what you are doing, learning from the best of the best isn’t going to help you. Bedros teaches trainers hands on information to take their business to another level - he’s not a “get rich quick” scheme.
It’s negative thinking like this that is making America bankrupt. We are all so quick to blame someone else over our own misfortune.
I am glad Bedros is talking to John Assaraf because it sounds like this guy (Trey) is going to need John’s new neurological reconditioning software. John can teach Trey, and other like-minded individuals, that if you don’t like the movie playing of your life, you need to change the movie projector reel (i.e. your thinking)!
Sorry to hear this is happening to you, Bedros. It is nice to see that you back up your word on your 100% guarantee. Now- don’t waste anymore time focusing on ONE bad comment when you are receiving 1000s of good ones! Your efforts are needed on making more quality products.

Hey Bedros, unfortunately I haven’t, YET, attended any of your FBSs; however, just having signed up with the FIT Pro n/ltr and getting your tips/tricks emails all the time ~ I have to say that you DO come across very genuine and I DO appreciate all of it… I do hope to attend one of those wonderful sounding conventions you put out and will one of these days… Refunding him his $ back IS the right thing to do; but, Feeling bad shouldn’t stick with you too long(after refunding his $ back especially). You do what you do and you’re GOOD AT IT, obviously it shows and THAT IS YOUR STYLE ~ to get pumped up and pump/inspire everyone else up… Gosh, you’re so good ~ I can almost hear you through the lines sometimes… Your genuinness comes right through cyberspace my friend… You shouldn’t change your well working ways because of one client. Before he came to the seminar, he shouldn’t have figured out your mode of operendi 1st… That is Bedros… sure, sometimes you have to “make a kill” to satisfy the hunger (talking about extreme colorized marketing here LOL; but, all in all ~ you’re a good “people” and don’t take this to heart ~ just refunding should take care of it, inside out…
Good luck~
Margarite

Hmmm Bedros,

NOT an easy one. Thank you for asking us what we think… great idea!

I commend you on giving him a refund, mark one up to integrity.

Trey - i sympathise - never fun to be in your situation. That said, it doesn’t work blaming something outside of yourself (FBS 2010) for things not working out. Because if you do that, then things can ONLY get better IF those outside circumstances change… and you have no control (responsibility) over that happening. (this is known as the ‘victim; mentality)

I suggest that its much better to make changes by taking responsibility for what happens in our own lives. What i mean is we cannot control the outside circumstances that affect us - WE CAN ONLY CONTROL OUR RESPONSE TO THEM - We get to choose.

Its only as we take responsibility for our lives that we get to change things, because the alternative is to be in a state of continual victimhood, which only brings us grief & tears.

Trey, as a suggestion… maybe Chris Sloan has a good point, have you lost some of the clients because you spent too much emphasis on marketing and so lost focus on providing the best service to them? Perhaps all it might take is an apology & some additional services to give them for free, to restore your cred? I don’t know, you do.

I’m sure you can come up with some good ideas to boost your business IF you decide to take responsibility for it. & you can always ask - generally speaking people are happy to help.

Trey good luck - step up to the plate man & put it in the bleachers!

Richard
(from NZ)

Here’s what I’d say in a nutshell:

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To be blunt: I sell a product, not a magic elixer. Any product is only as good as its weakest link. A successful business depends not only on good marketing, but location, customer service, quality of goods, market demand, equipment, and yes — sound financial fortitude in how you spend what money your business has (particularly when cash is tight).

Not being critical, but I suspect you need to examine your efforts in one or more of these areas if your marketing isn’t producing the results you’d like to see.

Have you done market research? Have you done psychographics? Who is your demo? What is their buying attitude? What colors do they like? What music? What’s their education? What’s their income level? How much does your business need to survive on a daily basis? What is your marketing budget? Etc., etc., etc. — These are all basics that should be handled BEFORE you make any serious marketing investment… Do you know your business (and customer) inside and out?

And we all know how personal distress can really tank any business endeavor. It’s hard enough to succeed when you’re entirely focus, much less distracted by life-changing events.

And, as much as I like spreading my system, I’d NEVER suggest a guy fork out his last $1600. It’s kinda like putting a 24-k gold band-aid on a gushing head wound.

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Probably needs a little polish, this was a quick ramble, but would present the general points in that manner…

I don’t care how much Trey thinks he knows. I guarantee he did not put it to action. Knowledge means nothing if you don’t apply it.

And if you (Trey) have all this marketing knowledge, why are you so broke and have no clients?

I can tell you…lack of action bro!

Trey you can blame others for your bad situation, but usually the fault lies with you. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can change your situation and start making things better.

By the way, Bedros has great information and marketing tips that do work, when you take massive action on them.

Bro, take some responsibility and take massive action and stop blaming others for your failures.

Trey, if you already have this marketing knowledge, why is it you are broke and struggling for business?

I can tell you, lack of massive action.

Bro, you really need to stop blaming others for your misfortunes and start taking responsibility for your life. The sooner you do this, the sooner you can start finding solutions that will help improve your life.

And by the way, Bedros has great marketing tips and products. They work only when you apply massive action to them.

Knowledge is uselss unless it’s applied.

Bedros!
You’re the man! Don’t ever forget that! Your compassion shines bright that you would even post this with such concern.

7-Figure Sam took al the words I had in mind and put them in his comment.

This guy Trey has gotta sack up and be a man about his situation. If I learned one thing at FBS10 it was this:

*If you are struggling in life and ya wanna know the problem, it’s what you see in the mirror. Fortuneately, what you see is also the solution.*

And knowing all the marketing stuff…. yeah right (BS). Joe Polish was feverishly taking notes the ENTIRE TIME!! Joe Polish!! And he’s a marketing genious for crying out loud.

Obviously, Trey is in a bad place, but he needs to shoulder the responsibility…. both for his business and his life, or he’ll always be in a bad place.

My “tell it like it is” 2 cents.

Chris

PS. Since FBS10 I’ve been on the fast track taking my studio up to triple my previous income (by August)! Thnx Bedros (and all the FBS10 presenters)!

Hey Bedros,

Looks or sounds or both like dude needed to vent. He might have some issues going on right now other then his actual training business, like maybe baby momma drama and other stuff but he just so happened to take it out on you.

Don’t take it personal Bedros (yeah easier said than done)I take lil things personal and they eat me up too.

But you are right in giving him his money back because he does need it more than you and he obviously is not happy.

But its definitely not your marketing advice-its him. Maybe you should invite him to vent a bit and really express himself and make his point and let your other students answer to him but in a professional manner. Like a forum, to see if we can talk to the guy and try to help him.

I think he just needs to talk to someone and vent about his current life.

But like i said, its not you.

I agree with Wayne Toppila. While I am just starting out in the industry and have some emphathy for Trey, I would still advise him to keep a positive attitude and EXPECT to receive and go after what you want. So Wayne is correct is saying the Bedros should further extend himself to coach Trey into being a success and have him give back to someone else in the future.

Trey, if worse comes to worst:

Learn how to sell -> Live in your car -> Park outside of LA Fitness -> Eat oatmeal, water, and beans -> Get 20 Free Human Billboards -> Start bootcamp in park -> txt your Billboards EVERY day -> sell the referrals on 12-month contracts at Starbucks during their lunch break -> And when you’re not doing any of these, lay on the floor in Barnes&Noble while reading Napoleon Hill books.

All I can say is… dude you’re closing a big door of opportunities for yourself. And if you know all those stuff you’ve learn it from him so he deserve to be payd, one way or another. We all work for money. Do you refund your costumers who don’t listen your advices of eating healthy to lose weight and eat McDonalds all day long and gain weight istead? You are the one who can turn things around. Heads up dude

All I can say is that I knew a lot of marketing tactics that were taught at the summit but there was far more new and useful information that I got over the 3 days. the summit renewed my passion for fitness and helped double my business since implementing some of the new approaches to getting new business. i really thought it would take a new website that converted visitors to clients but it was the fact that i was so inspired by everyone at the summit, speakers and guests, that I came back to Marin county with a renewed goal. I am taking advantage of every opportunity and situation I can. If there is a whisper about fitness or health in any conversation around me, I turn that opportunity to meet that person and let them know what i got. i began implementing a 6 week fitness success program and using Sam’s eating plan (much similar to my own) and Josh’s philosophy of doing 20 minutes of cardio after a workout has helped several of my client drop 2-3%body fat in the course of just the last 10 days. I continue to be inspired and my clients have fed off that and are more motivated than ever to reach their goals and they are bringing in business for me because Im simply using the human billboard technique we learned at the summit. If you want something bad enough, just go out and get it done. put out the energy and reap the rewards. if you can give your clients the level of service that they deserve, and obviously results, how is it that you cannot make any money? how is moving going to change a thing. maybe you should take the same approach…give your clients extra attention, a free bootcamp day, a free session, let them feel you are giving more than they are paying and they will do the marketing for you. good luck trey and thanks bedros, josh, sam, samantha, mike, joe, leanne, alex, vito and all of you for inspiring me to be the best trainer i can.

Dude, Its so amazing reading all the comments about your
dilema.

They all sum up 2 things:

1. That Trey should get his money back because it seems
like he really needs it.

2. Trey failed to create money from the information given
in the summit.

In my opinion Bedros, I’m sure you have dealt with individuals like this
in the past but now you found a way to get all of us to
re-evaluate why do we keep on investing in you.

You are truly an amazing mentor to follow. Can you imagine
doing the same to my clients; when one person ask for a
refund because she/he can’t lose weight. All my clients
will reinforce their commitment to me by giving me the
reasons why that person didn’t lose weight (didnt show up for the classes, didnt follow the meal plan, bottom line it remind them that I am the real deal and quitting will mean giving up )

I dont know if that was your intention Bedros, but dude
you are just amazing.

P.S. I am Steve’s mentor client and I am doing very well following all his and your words.

Trey if you cant see why all this works, go back to what worked for you.

Hi Bedros,

I saw a great thing that dominos pizza did with an unhappy client. They put it right using a video on YouTube. They apologized and said how they can help to put it right. Ultimately though, show empathy on the video, we’ve all been in his shoes right?

By the way I agree with Servando above. You only do things for a reason Mr Keuilian, and this post was very clever!!

Keep up the great work.

It is a tough one. With all the courses out there that make money off trainers, be they technical or business, it can be seen to be sometimes exploitative of young trainers wanting to get ahead. In my opinion if you want to learn more, you should probably learn more about business before you try to learn about technical skills - so using Bedros’ work is the one of the right places to start.

However Trey needs to remember he is a business and any business has to weigh up cash flow and also cost/benefits. If it is going to mess you up financially that much to get to a course/seminar, you are a fool if you do it.

Oh and I like Michael Duivis’ solution!

Bedros,

As you well know, you can’t out give the Universe. Honorable move on all fronts. 1.) Trying to help him by putting on the Summit and 2.) By refunding his money.

Trey,

You can’t out give the Universe. The more you give, the more you get. I am sorry times are tough right now, but this too shall pass.

Mike D’

Hey Bedros,

to be honest, I used many of your tricks/strategies and have made good money till now. I took some of your ideas and made them my own. I think the problem with Trey is the fact that he is unable to think outside of the box, he probably took what he learned from FBS and tried applying it right away and expected to see a huge transformation in his personal training business. But, it’s not that simple, you sometimes have to change the formula just a bit so that it can work in your location. Not all marketing strategies work everywhere, sometimes you need to think outside of the box and make a few changes here and there. In the end it’s YOU that makes the big difference, not the marketing strategies that you learn on a DVD, FBS, etc… You know why Trey didn’t make any money? It’s because of “Trey”! Not you, Bedros! He has to do his part of the work! For example and this is one of the things that I did, I asked people in my community, ask them stuff like; “what do you think is a fair price for personal training?” “Do you think this ad catches the eye?” (Questions like that and I asked many questions) And if he does the same, with the feedback he gathers from his community, he can then design his own personal training marketing tools or alter some that he got from you and others at FBS! Trey has to do his part of the leg work, he has to earn his success! It’s hard work at first, but once you separate yourself from the competition and people really start to notice you and your different style of personal training, etc… Thats when you will start to get tons calls and plenty new clients! That’s when you will see results!

In the end, it’s not your ads, programs, physique, etc… That makes the sale, it’s YOU! You have to make it happen, there is always a way, you just have to find “your way”! Stay positive Trey and if you really want this, than make it happen!

And it was really cool of you Bedros for refunding him like that, your a great person and it’s stuff like this that makes me able to trust you and feel that I’m always gonna get my money’s worth! It’s obvious how much you really care and I’m sure thats one of the main reasons why you are so successful in what you do! Thanks for EVERYTHING Bedros, your an inspiration to us all!

And don’t feel bad about what happened to trey, be happy, because it will now give you a chance to help him directly and maybe make him one of your future success stories! You never know…

So, take care Bedros and best of luck to you Trey!

Bedros,

Reading your email really pissed me off. Trey has to realize that one events, opinions, sales systems, techniques is not the end all be all. Wasn’t it Bruce Lee that said something to the effect of Embrace whats useful and forget whats useless, or something like that. Trey really needs someone to take him by the hand step by step, but even doing that won’t make a difference in my opinion. There are choices that we make in everything we do, we must always remember that the choices that we make, make us.

Kristen and I have been so blessed since day one meeting you and working with you. We have been to every single Fitness Business Summit that you have had, and we own every single one of your products and programs, and we grow and multiply each and every time we get home and start implementing what we have learned. I have learned more from you, Steve Hochman, and Chris Mccombs than anyone else in the industry.

Trey sounds like he needs to just get a job at a gym or something that he loves to do. It may be that he isn’t cut out to be a trainer. He needs to find his passion, what he loves to do.

For him to go home, lose almost his whole clientele, and have to move to another area because this has all transpired is horrible, but it hasn’t been that long since FBS10 so I can’t figure out how one weekend could have damaged his whole business so much, unless he tried to implement every single thing that we learned, bought a whole bunch of marketing products, like lead boxes, or a direct mail campaign or anything that cost a lot of money.

I will end with this, it comes down to having the money to spend and invest in your business, or not. If he was in this much debt, he shouldn’t have bought coaching from you, and you even said that to us in the room that day. We were going to get into the 7k group, but the timing wasn’t right for us, financially. We are still planning on joining the group though aoon.

You have made it easier, and much more fun for me and I am so proud to be a part of the “Keullian Family”

Kevin Harvey
http://www.sceniccitybootcamp.com

B,

I am pretty amazed that Trey decided to send you this message. I remember Trey from the seminar and I remember he was a little immature. I saw him numerous times throughout all the days and nights and he ALWAYS had his hand in a bag of “Milano” cookies…obviously practicing what he preaches. To me I think we was using FBS2010 as more of a vacation than a true learning experience. I know I really enjoyed the FBS2010 and took away so much…we are currently putting some of the new ideas we learned about to practice and have been doing well. Keep doing your thing and looking forward to seeing you in Chino Hills in June.

I guess if Trey really needs the money that bad give him the refund…as far at $1600??? At most the trip should have cost him $1000-1100. I think “Milano” cookies was part of that expense and of course the mounds of food and drink he indulged in at Dave n’ Busters.

Keep on Keepin ON!

CK

he should be firstly concentrating on personal development before even taking on business development.
He has obviously got child hood programs running, and this type of thing will be a repetitive occurrence in hie life.
I think we can all be negative towards him, but that will just be what he is used to, and this wont change a thing.

In the positive, Bedros you are a true champh, the quality you provide is like you said, first cab of the rank.

Trey,

If the comments on this blog post are not inspiration enough to turn yourself around, I don’t know what else to tell you. If you already knew all of the marketing ideas taught at FBS you obviously were not implementing them. A good friend of mine once told me that “All the potential in the world sitting on the couch, is just all the potential in the world sitting on the couch.” What that means is, it doesn’t matter what you know, it matters what you do. It’s easy to talk the talk, anyone can do that. That is why I follow Bedros and no other so called guru’s out there. Have your heard his story? He lived out of a pick up truck eating canned tuna and diet coke! He bounced at a gay bar, ate all of his protein powder he was trying to sell because it was expiring, wasted a lot of money on his first product, and so on. But you know what? He didn’t give up and he didn’t move away. He learned from his mistakes and moved forward. I would follow that guy anywhere. Anyone can say they know what he knows, but not everyone can say they have lived it and became the success he has become. If I were you. I would move to Chino Hills and camp out across from the prison and just try to get a glimpse of what Bedros, Sam and the rest of those guys are doing on a daily basis. Get as close to them as possible and I guarantee your mindset is going to change. You will realize that it’s not the information that makes you successful, but it is the belief you hold about yourself and what you believe you are capable of. If you went to FBS thinking you were going to get some piece of information that was going to do it for you, you were way off. Before these guys even thought of the information they are sharing with us they still had the belief in themselves and the vision of what they could accomplish and they put it into action. They learned all of this stuff through there own failures. So take what you are going through right now and learn from it, move on and do it better next time, then pass those lessons on to someone else…..

Bedros,

I think the way you handled it was perfect.

There’s not a lot you can say to Trey that is going to do any good, so why try to???

It’s not your fault he is behind on child support…

He’s not losing current clients because of how he’s marketing to new prospects…

A new marketing campaign is not why he has to move…

Going to FSB 2010 was not his worst business decision…

All excuses. He’s looking for a scapegoat for his situation instead of accepting responsibility and taking action. (Damn… sounds like my daughter’s mother! LOL)

Don’t beat yourself up… Keep plugging along… The rest of us are still listening to ya!!!

Having a successful fitness business starts from the inside out. If your not feeling good about yourself or your life that is what you are going to attract more of. It really boils down to an adjusment in Trey’s thinking. A life coach can probably help him get on trrack. I would start Trey with an exercise in GRATITUDE! Getting him to focus on what is good in his life. That exerise alone can release good brain chemicals that can actually have a major effect on hIs attitude. However, some people do like to play in the vicim role. Not cause it feels good but thats all they know. Life is a continous journey for all of us. Maybe Trey should work for a fitness company rather than for himself.

Few things in life are certain but Bedros, you definitely show that genuine concern and fairness are still alive. Trey may benefit from a realistic but optimistic look at his situation. He must commit to keep trying until he assembles a plan that works. That may mean concepts from FBS10 plus being creatively persistent. He has to work on himself as well, some Jim Rohn, Les Brown, Brian Tracy, Zig Ziglar, Earl Nightingale, Robert Kiyisoki and Ed Foreman. That will help His posture and people skills. His must exude confidence and identify the type of clients that he wants to train. Then find ways to associate with those types of people. Look for networking events in his area. Form strategic relationships with other FBS alumni in his area.

Hi B,
I’ve followed you for over four years now…studied everything you “gave away” for free on your websites (that information alone helped me get on my way.) Then last year I made an INVESTMENT in myself and my business by signing on to your FBBC program. That alone was worth the money.

But I have to be honest, I struggled, and am still struggling now. Some can blame it on the economy, some can blame it on the market that they are in, but ultimately it comes down to the person. The first person you need to blame when things aren’t going right is YOU. I’ve accepted that the reason I am not as successful as I had hoped is because I am dragging my feet.

But with your help, your constant emails and coaching, I have a very strong belief that I will succeed. I felt so strongly about this that, even though my bank account is going down, I’ve INVESTED in your coaching program.

(The connections I will be able to make with some of the most successful people in the fitness industry…using your marketing techinques…cannot be measured in monetary gains. This guy is crazy for knocking you!)

The value that you have given to so many is directly relateable to the amount of effort those people have put in.

This guy wants to blame you for his failures. All you can do is show everyone what has been successful for you, offer your services (coaching, membership sites, coaching calls, training seminars, ect.) and then it’s up to the person to do the hard work.

I know this is turning into a long message, but I just want people to know that whenever I had a question, problem or concern, I contacted your offices and was given the information needed to fix that problem.

Some people just don’t seek out the help that is there for them and put the blame on their failures towards you.
- Billy Carney

Hey Trey, Your frustration is clear with your letter. -I would wonder where your business was before the summit, for this to be the main reason you are doing so bad now. I felt frustrated too…but because I’ve been doing this for over 15 years and I watched people iin the industy just 2 years…KILLING IT!! So you gotta ask yourself..what systems are they using to produce such incredible results. There was so much to take away from the summit..even applying just one..over time..could pump your income. If anything you have amazingly talented sources to reach out to. Bedros is really a proven man in taken trainers to the next level of income. -nstead of being at the effect…work on being the cause of things to happen. This industy is a muti billion dollar one..get your marketing on track and get a piece of that $!

Bedros, I just want to say that I am very impressed with how you handled this. You could have just issued a refund and been finished with it. Some people wouldn’t have even issued the refund but you took it a step further and now this guy who is feeling really down is getting all of this great advice and encouragement. That shows a lot about you as a person and I really respect that. I think Trey should read all of these posts and use it as a motivator to get what he really wants out of life and not give up. You’re a good man, thanks for caring!!

Hey Bedros and Trey, I hope you are doing AWESOME. Hopefully my post isn’t too long. Trey i was in your position early this year. I was frustrated with some decisions I made and money was MESSED up. I had to drop out of the AWESOME 100K Mastermind Program with Bedros (which to me was embarrasing for me) considering when I joined I was on top of the world. Then I attended another seminar with Steve and Bedros for Fit Body Boot Camp in Calif. with money I didn’t have. I continued to stay humble and coachable. I never pointed the finger at the information - I looked in the mirror and decided to go back and re-evaluate all the notes and figured out how to make different and better decisions with all the information products, emails, mastermind notes, blog post and all the FREE information I have gotten from Bedros, Steve, Chris and others.

My story, I used ONE strategy that was in my notes and in one day I got 1438 new boot camp students to join my boot camp. It wasn’t a trickle of rain, it was a FLOOD. Now what if I had said the stuff they taught was not good. I was feel like an idiot. But I stayed humble, stayed focus, kept reviewing all the material they have provided, and NOW I’m as Bedros would say “CRUSHING IT” And believe me - this is only part of the story. I won’t give you the negatives - put the end result on the day I got 1438 students, 8,000 visitors came to my website and I now have about 16000 people on my Opt-In list. I’m not a special person, I followed Bedros’ lead - because there ideas and know-how is obviously better than I could do on my own.

To You BEDROS - My hats off, THANK YOU for all you do for all of us. Keep doing what you do, and put this situation in your rear view. Because you SINCERELY mean a lot to so many Personal Trainers. And I sincerely owe you dinner, next time I see you.

Shannon

Trey-
You’ve got to change your mindset and I mean NOW!! We all hit bumps in the road, but our own thoughts turn those bumps into insurmountable mountains or make us steam rollers that flatten the competition!

I had a similar breakdown a few years ago and once I realized it was me that was holding me back… I hit the road running and never looked back. I generate 6 figures a year and have now for the last 3 years. Now my goal is to hit upper 6 and 7 figures.

If you think that that happens in a month or two you weren’t listening. You have to test your marketing and it doesn’t have to cost you money to do so! Human billboarding, referrals, just meeting 5 people a day will grow your business, etc…

I commend Bedros for giving the refund, but to blame him in you search for the “magic money potion” is just the direct result of your mindset.

What if I said this was another genius-pull-at-our-heart-strings-marketing-concept by Bedros? NOT MAD at it!

As you see above with the list of comments & mine it has us chatting!

Great Work!

* The advertised results of the success stories on this page and throughout this site are only typical of people who worked really hard and followed every fitness marketing tactic I’ve outlined in the prodcuts they purchase from me.

Disclaimer! I am a huge fan of Bedros, I just always think outside the box …. if the story is true and it probably is … then it is a NO BRAINER … BEDROS handled it like he does everything TOP SHELF! Just after I hit submit I am like people are going to take this the wrong way!

Have great long weekend!

OK..I LIVED IN DALLAS FOR 5 YEARS…THOUGHTS TO HELP OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD…LIFETIME GYM OR THE GYM OFF MCKINNEY-(UPSCALE AREA)IF HE NEEDS A J-O-B.
CALL POST PROPERTIES/APARTMENT LEASING OFFICES(THERE ARE MILLIONS IN DALLAS) AND NEGOTIATE DEAL TO TRAIN CLIENTS.
THERE ARE ALSO HIGHEND HOTELS THAT OUTSOURCE TRAINING TO OUT OF TOWN CLIENTS-AND THEY PAY A HIGH RATE. HAND OUT A FLYER @ A SPORTS EVENT @ THE BRAND NEW ARENA…HOOK UP WITH ANOTHER TRAINER OR GROUP OF TRAINERS….HAS HE CHECKED OUT ALL THE SCHOOLS THERE??
CHURCH-GO TO CHURCH-WHATEVER CHURCH YOU WANT-THIS GUY HAS ZERO TIME TO FEEL SORRY FOR HIMSELF-MAYBE HE NEEDS TO PICK UP ANOTHER SIDE JOB JUST TO CATCH UP…IVE HAD 3 JOBS AT ONCE BEFORE! DUDE NEEDS TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND GET ON WITH IT!

Bedros,
Your programs, systems, FBS events,and your overall personality has really helped Kristen and I personally and we would not be where we are today without your help.

Everytime I have come back from Fitness Business Summit, and I have been to every single one of them since day one, they have further driven my revenues and sales, because I learn new, fresh, and easily implementable ideas and systems.

Trey, one thing I have learned, and its been a hard lesson, is to not buy things above your means. Meaning, don’t go out and buy marketing pieces, take out an ad or billboard, unless you already have the money to play with.

As far as losing all of your clients in only one month, because it hasn’t been that long since FBS10, you really need to take a look at your systems and referral programs. If people aren’t renewing with you, the problem is you.

I don’t know you, but it sounds like you need to find your passion. It might not be fitness, or maybe you just need to go get a steady job as trainer in another facility.

Being a technician is a whole lot easier and a lot less risk, then being an entrepeneur. Believe me, I have been both.

I think that its awesome that Bedros is refunding your money and I wouldn’t have expected anything less from him. I have known Bedros for 5 years now and he, Steve Hochman, and Chris Mccombs, are the reason why our business is doing so well.

As far as money goes, I will leave you with this, if you don’t have the money to spend, find another way to market. Don’t try and implement everything you learned at FBS, just pick one idea and run with it. I guarantee you that just one idea shared at FBS10 could easily get you to 6 figures.

I have been broke, and it sucks, but you have to remember these are the times that we all learn the most, when times are hard. It will be okay, just rebuild yourself, your business and your life, get out of the place that your at right now, and there is hope on the other side. Don’t blame Bedros though, he is the best thing that ever happened to my business and I know a lot of people in the room at FBS10 would agree with me 100%. He is probably responsible for more trainers success than anyone in our industry!!!!

Hey Bedros

I know how you feel- one comment like that can get you spinning, even in the face of hundreds more positives- in fact, it may be BECAUSE of so much positive feedback that some negative feedback throws you for a loop. It stands out like a sore thumb and can make you question yourself. Likewise, Trey may not be ready for SO MUCH positive energy. So many things have been going wrong in his life long before the summit that his mind isn’t ready to accept that level of success yet. I think there are times we’ve all done some self-sabotage.

Hey Trey, if you read this, I hope you at least respect Bedros’s integrity in standing behind his guarantee. That’s a pretty valuable take-away and something we can all learn from. If I could offer anything that helps, it would be to read 2 books that have had a big impact for me personally. First read “HOW TO STOP WORRYING AND START LIVING” then read “HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE”. Life is a roller coaster, man. It will get better.

That’s tough, Bedros. I’m a little amazed … no, A LOT amazed that Trey wasn’t able to take anything away from FBS. I was able to take a ton from just the first day! Sounds like he’s definitely in a bad mindset in life in general and is letting it affect how he runs his business. I guess I agree with the refund, but honestly, I sent one email from an idea I got from the first day and had over $3,000 come in over the remainder of the weekend …

Trey - you’ve gotta be a man, bro. Kick yourself in the ass, then do it again, and then get off your ass and go out and make things happen. They don’t happen to you … you make them happen. Listen, I sat in jail for a weekend 4 years ago, lost a great, stable job with a guaranteed retirement and nothing to fear for the rest of my life. Then I had to face the cards life threw at me. I could have thrown a pitty party like you’re doing. But instead I used it as motivation to make sure I became more successful than I ever could at the job I lost. 4 years later I’m a better person, wealthier person, and happier person.
Hopefully you feed your clients tons of positive encouragement everytime you see them. Why don’t you take some of your own advice. You probably don’t have any clients right now because you’re a miserable bastard right now. Plain and simple, stop. And if all else fails … I like Michael D’s advice!
Good luck bro, hope life gets better!

Here’s some thoughts that I read on a blog by a guy who travels the world as a job. His name is Chris Guillebeau. He’s talking about all travels having highs and lows and I think you’ll see how it can apply here…

“…you can probably count on some low points wherever you roam. When I encounter the low points, I always ask myself this question: would I rather be doing anything else?

I could always stay home and drive my Prius to the job at the bank. But since I have neither a Prius nor a bank job, I can deal with the low points. In fact, accepting the low points tends to make the high points more special…

…Dissatisfaction comes about from wanting something different but not being willing to take action toward achieving it.”

I’m sorry to hear that Trey’s having a tough time. This is tough love, but you can blame others all you want but in the end you are the one who makes the decisions that affect your life. Trust me, that’s a good thing. I don’t know how desperate things are for Trey right now, but it sounds really rough. But just think, now it can get better! Good luck Trey, I hope you can get things turned around.

And Bedros - nothing we have ever gotten from you has ever been anything but amazing value. You’re just a sensitive guy, but that’s why the girls love you! ; )

Now, I’m not going to leave a long post here because for one I think the rest of the commentors said just about everything that had to be said and two I’m too damn busy using all the valuable information I’ve learned from bedros, chris and steve too listen to this guy’s defeatest bullshit. When life throws you lemons make lemonade. There will always be obsticles to overcome. If you approach these obsticles in the same fashion you’ve approached this one you will never succeed. I’ve been so busy in fact I didn’t even get to go to FBS2010, and If I would have gone I would have soaked up every drop of info provided by Bedros and any of the other presenters. No-one said to go out and spend all of your money on marketing or that It would produce dramatic results over night. Marketing like everything else takes some diligence and patience. And another thing, the fitness business game is about much more than marketing it’s about retention, systemization, delegation, mindset, etc. Man, I gotta go….too much money to be made to get into this discussion any further. Thanks Bedros for having me on the FBBC team. See ya at the FBBC world conference and FBS2011.

bud

BE-DO-HAVE…..patience..persistance..passion

Its your mindset, your energy and the law of attraction

believe that - change- be a giver - and it happens

dont believe it - dont make it - get another job - nothing wrong with that

we are in the creation and believe mindset when we all make miracles happen - plain and simple

Henry Ford my friend

“whether you think you can or can’t - either way - you’re right”

you choose

Trey,
My advice is keep your head up high, smile, and get it done. Only you can make your way. Everything happens for a reason, maybe it was time to make a move and now maybe you will do even better. Don’t give up, if this is what you won’t to do then do all you can to make the best of it. Use this as a learning tool, a motivation tool, and move forward. Best of luck and it is out there for you to take. God Bless.

Bedros,
I am not sure if you remember me from FBS10 or not, I talked to you about your mentoring program and how I really need/want to do it but need to get my daughter well first and save to enter your program. Well I have always been a very driven person, I added your coaching to my list of goals. I purchased your PT Business course at the summit, read it from cover to cover twice, listen to the audio cds, (still do everyday in my truck) and just got the fitpro mag to go with the fitpro newsletter I had already. I marketed a 6 week “Biggest Loser” contest for $197 to my list on FB and the newsletter. Well I have 30 people signed up and maybe 5 more before it starts on the 31st and more than half of those are new clients that I will convert to my full time bootcamp after the contest. That alone boosted my income almost $6k in 2 weeks. That’s just using one tool that I got from the PT bus course. I am about to implement a couple more, and hire my 4 trainer. All from a 2,000 sqft studio. My goal was to get to 150K within the next year. Well I will be getting your coaching, cause we are getting our daughter the care she needs and am well on my way to reaching goal 2 (150k), then on to 7 figures. Once I hit that my wife will get to stay home and take care of our children full time. This is all possible because of you , Steve, Chris, Josh and FBS10. The info I got from your course and the Summit is priceless. I will continue to be driven, continue to learn continue to grow. So my words to you Bedros are, for every one failure, there are thousands of successes. Don’t be surprised if someday you ask me to be a presenter at FBS. Thank you and keep your head up, you are an awesome person, a giver, a teacher, a mentor. I appreciate all you have done for me and my family in such a short time. God Bless.
Jeremy Werner
Dynamic Performance Fitness
http://www.dptraining.com

I feel for Trey and the place where he is at because I’m just coming out of that place. It’s not a fun place to be and I get it. This past December i had the lowest number of campers that I’ve ever had…”8″…yes, that is not a type, “8″. Ive since grown in back to 40 (which was my goal from 8:) and on my way to 50. Not because of anyone else but who? ME. ME ME ME and alot of hard work.

There are many people out there that call themselves “marketing gurus” and I’ve used stuff from alot of them…including Bedros. And, to be honest, not all the stuff I got from Bedros has worked for ‘me’ and you can’t expect that all of it will work for ‘you’…Trey has got to realize that you must pick and choose from all the stuff out there, what works for HIM. You can’t do it all..i know I can’t. There is a program that I bought from Bedros that I really didn’t like (SORRY bedros, just tryin to make a point:) and so i stopped using it. Ok , fine. I’m sure Bedros didn’t crawl into a corner and cry like a baby…. But I got his Fitpro Newsletter and it rocks. I love it and so do my clients. I just purchased his Fitpro Mag and I so far it’s pretty slick (or as the young kids call it these days “IT’S SICK!”). I’ve gotten products from other “marketing gurus” that i like and that I use and some stuff I thought was not so great. Trey just has to use and choose what works for him AND not try to do EVERYTHING at once. If it doesn’t work, then move on to something else. And don’t try to do it all (i’ve tried that before), pick a couple of things and try them out.

There is some stuff that I know I am not ready for …i want to do this and that and this and that when I haven’t even finished some of the stuff I’ve already purchased. You have to be careful Trey, don’t overwhelm yourself.

To Trey I would say that I feel for you and I can sympathize. I “almost” went back to the corporate world but I don’t want to do a 9 to 5 again. So, I buckled down, started making list, started looking at how I could change my business and I dug my feet in and got to work. I also took care of my current clients by overdelivering and making each camp better than the last. It’s been a struggle and I’ve had a few falls along the way (negative talk) but I’m climbing out and I wish that for you. We can support you as fellow personal trainers but you have to be willing to help yourself too. Best of luck buddy, hang in there and you can get throught this.

As for Bedros, I still really like you…sometimes I think you are off your rocker with some of your products but you know what…it works for YOU and it works for some and some would say many of your customers…see? And THEN you come out with stuff of which I don’t KNoW how or where it came from (a plug again for fitpro Newsletter and Mag) and I’m like WHAT????? HOW AWESOME…now THAT I can use and I like that!

My hats off to you Bedros…and I like you with hair! I know this was long but I just had my coffee!!!! LOL!!! DAWN

Thought it would post under Todd Toppila comment…Anyway That is what I would do.

Bedros,

It seems like it has been a short period of time between now and the FBS? I didnt go to the FBS summit but from your other products which have a ton of value, none of them are quick fixes or get rich schemes. I found that the marketing takes time and persistance and action. I am shocked that this guy lost clients and money from things that seemed to have made you millions! Anyway, we all know what type of person he is.

This was my first FBS, I learned a lot, some of which I will use, some I won’t, and that is based on my current business situation and what I can truly do within the my comfort zone.

All the comments above are valid, because they are personal each of us. There is a saying out there that says along the lines of “If you believe you can succeed you have….and if you believe you have failed, you have”

Trey, sometimes it is really hard to see beyond the fog in our lives, I know I have been there, but one has to believe that there is light at the end of the tunnel, because if we think “woe is me” then that is what we attract!! You need to change the way we think. Giving up is easy, staying for the fight is the challenge, and succeeding is the prize!

One of Calgary’s well known clairvoyant (yes I said clairvoyant..) & life coach says: “If you want something you’ve never had, you must do something you’ve never done! ”

IT IS WHAT IT IS! You created this reality & only you can change it. The only thing in this world that we have control over is ourselves, and how we live our life and approach each experience that comes our way. So in the end you have to make an internal change: think positive thoughts, live it breath it, walk it, talk it. I can truly say that I have been at the bottom and survived, because I made a change in me, how I viewed myself and the world around me.

And B, keep doing what u do man! You will never please all of the the people all of the time…we all know this. So if you have touched even 20% of the people who come to the conference, buy a product, read an email, blog etc etc. Then my friend, You have been successful! Keep On, Keep On.

All we can do is to Breath & Keep moving forward. Baboo!

Char

Hey Bedros,

I’ve been asked about Facebook before, and how to use it for marketing…

This one guy, old high school friend, ask me how his boss can use FB to help out his Bank…

We sit down to coffee, and I give him absolute GOLD! I mean… Not only did I tell him how to use FB to market his banks products, but also why he needed a website with a blog to drive everything too… As well as email marketing… (Which is why your news letter is so awesome!)

The whole time… this guy had a blank look on his face… Not only did he not understand the internet marketing I was giving him… GOLD I TELL YOU!!! =)

He did not even understand basic marketing and basic business…

You can give someone Gold… but they won’t know it’s gold if they never seen it before or know what to look for…

I bought your course years ago Bedros… I still learn from it today! =)

We don’t see everything right away… we never see everything… It’s hard to get people to learn if they don’t know what they need to learn in the first place…

……………..

I know… What would I say to him?

“Please do not use your food money for education money… Take care of your family first before investing in your education…

Education money and survival money are two separate things, and they need to be separate…”

I would also tell him to find a financial counselor to help him sort out his financial problem of not being organized… But that might just make him mad… Which is why most Guru’s (Yes… I’m calling you a Guru Bedros… Because you are…) Which is why most Guru’s don’t tell the little guy the hard truth to his face one on one… Most people can’t handle it…

Hey Bedros I think that this guy is obviously not in a good space in his life right now. You are not to blame for his failures in any way shape or form. However, the one issue I do take with this whole thing is that you didn’t keep him anonymous. I think it’s not cool to have the guys name and pic for all to see. He made a business transaction with you and expressed dispeasure and asked for a refund. To put him on blast like that for all to see is not so cool in my opinion. I don’t think anyone would want to see their comments that they emailed someone privately put out there like for all to see. I would say all you could do is give him a refund and wish him well. I’m pretty sure 99 percent of us think that your products and information kick ass so it’s all good! There will always be someone unhappy and looking to blame others for their own failures that’s just how it is. Just my two cents! best wishes to everyone on the board

Hey Bedros, I have been wanting to attend any of your workshops for as long as I have been in the fitness industry. All your products have given me tremendous results, and helped my business grow in one way or another. I would give Trey his money back, and wish him good luck in all he does. Obviously he is not in the right mindset to really TAKE ACTION to improve his business right now. By the way you, josh carter, steve h. and chris M. ROCK!!!! Hope to meet you all very soon.

As a man thinks in his heart so is he….change your mind and you can change the world!

Hey Christian
I totally agreed with you that if you truly love what you do you will find a way to succeed. I was damn broke before and very frustrated too. The easiest thing I could do is point my finger at someone but that would not solve the situation. Instead of falling flat on my face and stay down, I stood up again and keep going no matter what. I tried to learn and apply what Bedros, Steve Hochman and Chris McComb teach in marketing through their blog, products and paid services. It has helped even just applying just like 30%.

Although I did not attend FBS2010, I know Bedros know what he is teaching because I used like 50% of what he teach in his Close 9 out 10 Clients DVD and it has helped me doubled or even triple my earnings.

Honestly, Trey if fitness and helping people getting into better shape is your passion you will find a way if you try hard enough.

Lastly, Bedros, Big Chris and Steve who is my coach rock! But they can’t take action for you. You have take ACTION!

Trey-

If you all ready know all of the marketing tatics shared at FBS10, then why don’t you have more clients? I live in a small city with a population of only 27,000 people and I have over 400 clients, thanks to Bedros’s help. If I did not follow his system, I would still have only 30 clients.

If your clinets have leave you, it may come down to two things: 1) You did not build a strong relationship with them 2)You did not deliver results. Relationship and results are the key.

Amen to that Joe!

hey b,

i would have to say that from the beginning even before he purchased the ticket he came from a very negative mindset and lack mentality. that in and of itself is what caused him not to succeed. he calculated his failure way before hand. hes just needed an escape goat. which is a very normal human behavior.

but true success when you really want it will only come once the excuses stop and a very powerful mind shift occurs. focusing on the amazing possibilities and not dwelling on the doubt.

I think this fella should have a good think about why he got into this industry in the first place, to help people, to be supportive and motivational? He needs to have a good one to one with himself and change his behaviours to a more positive vibe, that happening will bring more clients regardless of how much marketing he does..

I would give him back his money and let that be, nothing else to say and no energy wasted. That make you the good guy. Let it go and move on